VAR thread 2022/23

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kaz7 said:
How is it some cup games have var and others dont ? Shirley it would be fairer for no games, regardless of if it is a prem team or not , to not have it used
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That is a fair criticism and one that is in line with the standards of fair competition: all games within a competition should be officiated under the same rules and supporting system for adjudication.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Yes.

I've seen Taylor actually look over his shoulder in the direction of David Silva when he's had the ball at his feet (on numerous occasions), and then position himself between Silva and obvious forward pass. On one occasion Dave got so frustrated he smashed a pass STRAIGHT at Taylor who had to take evasive action.

And not just Alty either. Plenty of ref's do it if you keep an eye out for it.
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I don't think it is deliberate. Referees patrol a certain diagonal path - normally, or possibly exclusively these days with their assistants running on right wings. It really isn't in their best interest to disrupt play. It would reflect in their assessments, marks, professionalism, and indeed could jeopardise their chances of being awarded prestigious games. They have to be somewhere on the pitch. Sometimes this means being in the way of the ball.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
One of many lower league managers calling for VAR

www.shropshirestar.com

Steve Cotterill: VAR could help Shrewsbury

Steve Cotterill says VAR could help clubs lower down the EFL – as he believes they cannot afford to be missing their best players due to incorrect red cards.
www.shropshirestar.com www.shropshirestar.com
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I can see his perspective there, and VAR could help them in those situations.

I think pretty much everyone agrees (you and I included) on what we want VAR to be: a unbiased means to optimise officiating and ensure the most accurate and consistent decisions possible with a human-based adjudication system.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
One of many lower league managers calling for VAR

www.shropshirestar.com

Steve Cotterill: VAR could help Shrewsbury

Steve Cotterill says VAR could help clubs lower down the EFL – as he believes they cannot afford to be missing their best players due to incorrect red cards.
www.shropshirestar.com www.shropshirestar.com
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Do incorrect red cards happen much in the lower leagues?

Otherwise he may change his mind the first time one of his goals is ruled out for an offside toenail........ :)
 
Stephen230 said:
I would have thought it was pretty obvious whether you agree with it or not.

They want games using VAR where possible.
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Which still contravenes the standards of fair competition—for the same reason Steve Cotterill is speaking about VAR in the lower leagues—hence why it is a legitimate concern.

Just because the reasoning may be obvious does not mean it is cogent, correct, or necessarily fair.
 
kaz7 said:
How is it some cup games have var and others dont ? Shirley it would be fairer for no games, regardless of if it is a prem team or not , to not have it used
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Consistency of approach is the root of many of the issues , and yet the football authorities refuse to deal with it. That as well as a lack of transparency which is what supporters would like to see. Make the discussions between officials available to supporters !

Fudging the issue, making conflicting rules mid -season and generally creating more problems than they ever resolve.

Their motives are questionable and leads to supporter frustration in my opinion.
 
Would this poll be interesting/informative for those active in the VAR discussion?

“Would VAR be substantially improved by live officiating team audio comms being made available to fans in stadium and watching on TV?

‘Yes’
‘No’
 
SebastianBlue said:
Would this poll be interesting/informative for those active in the VAR discussion?

“Would VAR be substantially improved by live officiating team audio comms being made available to fans in stadium and watching on TV?

‘Yes’
‘No’
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Not sure it could be worse tbh, but I am sure there are others who will disagree, but we hardly have a concensus as it is.

When will the question be addressed by the FL/FA and other authorities is a totally different question however, and many will ask why that is.
 
kaz7 said:
But it is not fair some cup games have var and others do , that is not a level playing field
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I’m not disputing it’s a valid opinion. I’m not really fussed either way but I can see the counter argument. Why should virtually all the games in the latter stages be denied using the available technology just because it wasn’t possible to use it in all earlier rounds?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Would this poll be interesting/informative for those active in the VAR discussion?

“Would VAR be substantially improved by live officiating team audio comms being made available to fans in stadium and watching on TV?

‘Yes’
‘No’
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Yes

And yes
 
Is it a level playing field if some games are televised and some are not ?

what are they not showing us if we can't see it live ?!!!

either show every single match live or don't show any
 
SebastianBlue said:
Would this poll be interesting/informative for those active in the VAR discussion?

“Would VAR be substantially improved by live officiating team audio comms being made available to fans in stadium and watching on TV?

‘Yes’
‘No’
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Poll posted.

I voted ‘Yes’ — I think it is a necessary (but not sufficient) element of reform to improve overall confidence in VAR (and officiating in general).
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is it a level playing field if some games are televised and some are not ?

what are they not showing us if we can't see it live ?!!!

either show every single match live or don't show any
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That is entirely different to some matches having VAR and some not in the same competition.

One is related to accessing the spectacle of a given match based on who is playing, the other is quite literally having a different ruleset for a given match based on who is playing.

They are not remotely equivalent.
 
halfcenturyup said:
These circular arguments are doing my head in.

The position that the 90% of not-insane posters have, I think, is this:

* VAR was introduced with good intentions (as was FFP originally!)
* it has had some benefits: eg the number of outrageously wrong decisions has decreased significantly (which was the whole point at the beginning), some player behaviour has changed for the better.

On the other hand,

* implementation in the PL has lacked consistency (for example: VAR judgement rather than referee review, similar incidents in different games giving different outcomes, objective decisions Vs subjective, VAR set-ups at different grounds etc).
* implementation has lacked transparency and will do until ref/VAR comms are made available in real time.
* the combination of inconsistency and opacity leads naturally in a football fan environment to accusations of bias/incompetence/corruption for whatever reason.
* there has been a negative effect on match-going experience: spontaneity of goal celebrations, confusion over VAR reviews, VAR-related delays, etc.

We can also probably agree that even if VAR was perfect we would still argue about decisions because some people don't, or don't want to, understand some rules.

Is that fair?
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That seems very fair and balanced to me, and largely sums up my feelings about VAR.
 
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