Was it all a big mistake

Pablo1 said:
If we won the quadruple next season with the same players it would only confirm that the last two years have been wasted rather than holistic.
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One thing is certain. Come August, this season will be forgotten as happens every year. That's why we all love the game.
 
i for one will cherish that season of 13/14 and the outrageous amount of goals, the frankly sexual football and the league title. i loved it.
 
Mancini had his flaws: what has he done since leaving City? But he can build a team.

Pellegrini has failed despite good signings.

The season is not over yet. There is still time to respond but the manager is draining the potential of the team. I suspect he is liked by the players, but that doesn't mean much when he makes such obvious selection errors, and worst of all he does not learn from these errors. It is hard to accept that a very experienced manager like Pellegrini should in one of the biggest jobs of his career end up in this way. I suspect that he is just being stubborn. You have to be your own man, but you also have to have grasp on reality.
 
The fact Chelsea are where they are, the Rags are shite, Liverpool are inconsistent, Arsenal have been typically up and down and we've still not won the league despite our squad is evidence of why Pellegrini's time at the club has been unsuccessful. We've qualified for the knockouts in the CL, brilliant. But we've got even further away from being a side capable of winning it so what does it matter? Our co-efficient is going to be better, but now, winning the league is more important than that so again what does that matter at the moment? Makes our group slightly easier, but we're still almost guaranteed a tough one.

And for all of his ability to get us to the knockouts, he might not qualify us for the CL this season which would completely trump any success he's had in the competition. One league title and two league cups. As much as the league cup is a major competition, we should only ever celebrate it if we've won it playing youth players or a weaker side. We're aiming far too high to worry about that. The FA Cup would be a celebrated achievement, the league cup shouldn't be celebrated too highly with our ambitions. We're looking at a City side failing to beat Leicester or Spuds to the title... as good as they've been the points tally they amass will be below what we'd expect to get each season.
 
Blue Expat said:
We were at the top of table though.
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yes we were, more through individual brilliance than having a great system or game plan imo. this squad was and still is too good to have only won once again the top 9 side in the premiership. we are currently 16th in the form guide table with an away match against the mighty bournmouth on the horizon. if we keep audrey robert i predict we only real have a chance we have of winning is against west brom at home.
 
The simple fact is that if it wasn't for Mancini none of the success Pellers had would have followed.

It's been well documented that Roberto rubbed some players up the wrong way but he at least drilled the side well and fitted round pegs in round holes.

Pellers may be a good likeable chap but he is no tactician and I don't think he has the stomach to stand up to certain players e.g. Yaya.

Mancini had the stomach to stand up to top players but perhaps needed to tone it down a notch or two. He also could spot a player too.

I guess what really gets to me is that City should have won at least a further 2 EPL titles and signed quality instead of quantity since Mancini's era
 
supercity88 said:
The fact Chelsea are where they are, the Rags are shite, Liverpool are inconsistent, Arsenal have been typically up and down and we've still not won the league despite our squad is evidence of why Pellegrini's time at the club has been unsuccessful. We've qualified for the knockouts in the CL, brilliant. But we've got even further away from being a side capable of winning it so what does it matter? Our co-efficient is going to be better, but now, winning the league is more important than that so again what does that matter at the moment? Makes our group slightly easier, but we're still almost guaranteed a tough one.

And for all of his ability to get us to the knockouts, he might not qualify us for the CL this season which would completely trump any success he's had in the competition. One league title and two league cups. As much as the league cup is a major competition, we should only ever celebrate it if we've won it playing youth players or a weaker side. We're aiming far too high to worry about that. The FA Cup would be a celebrated achievement, the league cup shouldn't be celebrated too highly with our ambitions. We're looking at a City side failing to beat Leicester or Spuds to the title... as good as they've been the points tally they amass will be below what we'd expect to get each season.
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It's been a freak season to be fair.
Not celebrating the cup win is a bit weak, although I agree it's sweeter when seen as the cherry on top of a epl title.
I personally believe we've to many players on their way out, yaya etc, and silva looks to be injured, but one of the few who plays through the pain.
I think we've lost our edge, our nasty streak, under pellers we've become almost polite, like an 'after you sir' attitude has overtaken the midfield.
There's going to be a shake up, and I think it's going to be bigger than most expect.
 
It would have been hard to get in a young up and coming manager and say - look mate it dosent matter how well you've done, in three years time you'll be out on your ear as were getting Pep in instead.

what am I talking about, 99% of people would have jumped at the chance of managing us and even with mourinhioesqe short term planning our squad wouldnt have been in worse shape
 
twoddlehopper said:
It's been a freak season to be fair.
Not celebrating the cup win is a bit weak, although I agree it's sweeter when seen as the cherry on top of a epl title.
I personally believe we've to many players on their way out, yaya etc, and silva looks to be injured, but one of the few who plays through the pain.
I think we've lost our edge, our nasty streak, under pellers we've become almost polite, like an 'after you sir' attitude has overtaken the midfield.
There's going to be a shake up, and I think it's going to be bigger than most expect.
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I agree , 7 players better than what we have now coming in a couple from the academy and 7-8 at least going.

I think we will have a new captain come August as well as least we should have.
 
I don't get the idea behind putting the club on hold for a couple of seasons whilst we wait on Pep so i don't give it much credence, why would we tread water for 2 seasons just to get Pep for 3 seasons ?
 
A mistake to hire him at that time? No, there wasnt much available at the time that was preferable at the time. At the time his appointment was viewed as acceptable.

Looking back though yes a big mistake, he has good tactical awareness, but his manamanagement, or his influence on an under-performing teams is zero.

He would be great at Premier Manager 2015 where people are just numbers.
 
shemnel said:
i for one will cherish that season of 13/14 and the outrageous amount of goals, the frankly sexual football and the league title. i loved it.
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Quite right too. If you wanted to argue it that way, every league that has ever been won has been won because other teams cocked it up. That season, in particular, we scored the second highest number if goals ever scored in the PL and fought off the team that got the 3rd highest. To argue that we, somehow, earned it by default is the sort of argument i'd expect from rag fans under 15 or journalists. To hear it being aired by a minority of our own fans is disappointing to say the least.
 
Wreckless Alec said:
Quite right too. If you wanted to argue it that way, every league that has ever been won has been won because other teams cocked it up. That season, in particular, we scored the second highest number if goals ever scored in the PL and fought off the team that got the 3rd highest. To argue that we, somehow, earned it by default is the sort of argument i'd expect from rag fans under 15 or journalists. To hear it being aired by a minority of our own fans is disappointing to say the least.
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Yeah I don't get it either. Same goes for the first title win. In both cases it seems to be more about beating up on the manager at the time as if somehow we won it despite who was in charge which over 38 games is nonsense.

I am not Pellers biggest fan but he did win a title and for that alone he should be appreciated. I also enjoyed the two CC wins so to answer the OP no appointing Pellers was not a big mistake. Keeping Pellers for this season was a big mistake. Employing say Rafa for a season would have made more sense but as we all know everything took second place to the grand plan so the board gambled this season. The success of that gamble hinged on two points. One was securing Pep and the other was avoiding disaster under Pellers. Right now the jury is still out on this season being a disaster, ie getting a CL spot, although it looks grim at the moment. Get a CL spot and the appointment of Pellers gets you overall a C- and a passing grade(ish).
 
I cherish the good of the Mancini years as well as 13/14.

But the notion of keeping him and all would have been better? Where's he gone since? Galatasaray? The Serie A version of Liverpool? The fact that no one at the level at which we aspire to be is ever seriously linked with him? Or even un-seriously linked with him?

I remember Ancellotti being spoken of late that year when Mancini tried his absurd little power play with the upper levels of ADG.

In hindsight Carlo would have been a better idea if do-able. I do imagine he'd have a lot of the same issues getting this bunch motivated that Pellers has had, though.
 
I am a bit p*ssed off with modern football and the lack of willingness of pampered players to give their all for a manager who they may not see completely eye to eye with.
If the club had backed Mancini and binned some high profile player(s) as an example I think that we would have won more than we have under Manuel.
Unfortunately it is easier to sack the manager nowadays as Jose found out to his cost.
If baconface were to join united in these modern times he would not have been a success. The era of the long term manager is gone and the players will just get richer.
 
jamesha said:
I am a bit p*ssed off with modern football and the lack of willingness of pampered players to give their all for a manager who they may not see completely eye to eye with.
If the club had backed Mancini and binned some high profile player(s) as an example I think that we would have won more than we have under Manuel.
Unfortunately it is easier to sack the manager nowadays as Jose found out to his cost.
If baconface were to join united in these modern times he would not have been a success. The era of the long term manager is gone and the players will just get richer.
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Not building upon the initial breakthrough in 2012 in the transfer market was our biggest mistake. I know internal politics and FFP came into the equation but prudent purchases of quality rather than the scattergun approach of the last few years would have consolidated our position. I know it is very easy to be critical of decisions made when you are on the outside but I think we could have done better in this department. Sometimes been rich and having an increased wish list can be a disadvantage and I fear that this is what has happened us. Add in the fact that City like many other clubs seem to buy players to fit into a set role and squad rather than a more enlightened approach which views players as been brought in to be part of a flexible system. In a nutshell we set out to be holistic but in the narrow rather than broad sense. It is to be hoped that Pep will be given not only the financial backing but the space and time to set about building a genuine holistic system.
 
You know when I was a kid and my brother used to fall out with people (which for a while he did a lot) my mother used to say, isn't there a common denominator here son, you. So if different managers are "losing the dressing room" because the players don't get on with him then surely it is the players not the manager? They, the players, are the common denominator!! I love our team but surely they have to think about this themselves and stop hiding behind the 'get the manager out' scenario.

What happens if they do the same to this Guardiola man?
 
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