Which set of fans are the most deluded and why?

[Rammyblues]

Didsbury Dave wrote:
It's a nonsense to isolate individual clubs, as thought they have a group identity.

A significant proportion of all football crowds are deluded. And ignorant. That's about it.

There is no "winner" or "loser". Silly to pretend otherwise.

Agreed, propaganda is what makes football tick, get the masses to believe their club is the best in the world with the best fans and irrespective of the reality they will keep coming back for more. But if you were to ask me which fans are more arrogant of the devine belief that they ought to always win and be at the top you have to look only at the two clubs with the so called history factor, and for me that is always the rags followed by the red scouse.

 

[sam221985]

I never said Everton haven't won anything, i said they think they're a massive club in spite of the fact they haven't won anything IN HOWEVER MANY YEARS.

Yes they last won a trophy after we last won a trophy, but in the here and now, we have more going for us that I would say makes us a big club. A decent stadium, bigger fan base, financial stability and ambition.

Blackburn have won the Premiership and we haven't, are Blackburn a bigger club than us?

I don't think even the history-bores would argue that one, as they tend to see the premiership as just the equivalent of the old first division and no more or less prestigious. Well, most people do to be fair.

 

[Anonymous]

Everton

See themselves as a massive club (bigger than us) despite having :

a) A shit stadium
b) No money
c) No trophies for however many years
d) No big fanbase

You obviously know your history.....eh? They really have been shit compared to City....and we call them deluded!

League Champions
1891, 1915, 1928, 1932, 1939, 1963, 1970, 1985, 1987

League Runners-Up
890, 1895, 1902, 1905, 1909, 1912, 1986

(Old) Division Two Champions
1931

(Old) Division Two Runners-up
1954

FA Cup Winners
1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995

FA Cup Finalists
1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009

League Cup Finalists
1977, 1984

European Cup Winners Cup Winners
1985

FA Charity Shield Winners
1928, 1933, 1963, 1970, 1984, 1985, 1986 (shared), 1987, 1995

FA Youth Cup Winners
1965, 1984, 1998

FA Youth Cup Finalists
1961, 1977, 1983, 2002

I've no problem in saying Everton have "rich history."
But so do we.
People confuse the definition of "history" with "winning trophies."
It's not.
It's about what we are,who we are,where we come from-and where we're going.
"Honours" are just a small part of that.

And seriously.....FA youth cup winners,Youth cup finalists,Second division titles,League runners up,FA cup runners up...do they really count as "major honours?"

What about the Stanley park under 12's five a side champions of 1989?Surely they deserve a mention.......;-)

Sunderland have won the top division Six times in their history,well more than us...and yet I bet barely anyone really knows.Or cares.Yet they don't bang on and on about it.

I wonder how many fans of other clubs know we've won the same number of European trophies as Everton-the honours that really define how a club is viewed in the wider footballing world..?Not many I would suspect.

Some clubs shout much louder than others about what they've done in the past....usually the ones for whom the future doesn't look too bright...in typical scouser style,you know fuck all about world football unless you know the "facts" about them and why they're "superior" to your club both morally and spiritually.

The "fact" is that Everton have won one major trophy in almost a quarter of a century.For such a "big club" it It smacks of underperforming and failure...but it's conveniently twisted into the distance.

We've won jack all for 34 years.With a few exceptions and false dawns,during that time we've been,let's face it.... mostly....shite.

On the pitch at least.

But we can do one things the scousers will never do......admit it.

Apparently,because of this we have "no history."

Go figure.

 

[Adebayors lovechild]

Spuds-Think they are so much better than us because they are in Cl...wont last long, 'arry will jump at the chance hen he's offered england job (Inevitable)
and then they will be stuck with some poor sap like curbishley who will drag them to the hounds of hell...FINGERS CROSSED ANYWAY!

 

[sam221985]

Spuds-Think they are so much better than us because they are in Cl...wont last long, 'arry will jump at the chance hen he's offered england job (Inevitable)
and then they will be stuck with some poor sap like curbishley who will drag them to the hounds of hell...FINGERS CROSSED ANYWAY!

Yep Redknapp has already admitted he would take the England job if offered.

The clamour to appoint an Englishman by the press and their disciples will be too immense for the FA to fight and that Englishman will be Harry. Roy Hodgson will be sullied by his time at Liverpool which I can't see going well at all.

I just hope the circus that is the British press keeps taking petty shots at Capello, then Redknapp can only end up taking over sooner - sending Spurs back to square one.

 

[sixlashes]

Everton

See themselves as a massive club (bigger than us) despite having :

a) A shit stadium
b) No money
c) No trophies for however many years
d) No big fanbase

You obviously know your history.....eh? They really have been shit compared to City....and we call them deluded!

League Champions
1891, 1915, 1928, 1932, 1939, 1963, 1970, 1985, 1987

League Runners-Up
890, 1895, 1902, 1905, 1909, 1912, 1986

(Old) Division Two Champions
1931

(Old) Division Two Runners-up
1954

FA Cup Winners
1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995

FA Cup Finalists
1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009

League Cup Finalists
1977, 1984

European Cup Winners Cup Winners
1985

FA Charity Shield Winners
1928, 1933, 1963, 1970, 1984, 1985, 1986 (shared), 1987, 1995

FA Youth Cup Winners
1965, 1984, 1998

FA Youth Cup Finalists
1961, 1977, 1983, 2002

the first time you where runners up in the league , who was up front, egbert de scouser?

 

[Rammyblues]

I have been deluded about city for 34 years.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

The Rags. By far the most deluded and brain dead set of morons in the world, bar none!

They've gone bust once - at a time (early 1900's) they were getting merely hundreds of fans in to watch their games at Bank Street - and had to be bailed out by a mega-rich owner otherwise they would have had to fold and all that followed would never have happened. His money, added to the players they were given by City (as they were banned from playing for City) helped them win trophies; not by being a big club.

They then nearly went bust again in the late 20's as this MASSIVE club were still only getting crowds of 4000 and went on a run of 37years without winning a trophy. And couldn't even afford their own kits so had to be given our old ones.

They had a decent period under City star Matt Busby. Fair play to 'em. The only real credit this club deserves (if they take the stance that we don't deserve success from our new found wealth!).

But then went over two decades without being a major force in this country. So what did they do? They spent more money on players than any club ever had before, and paid the most expensive team ever assembled the highest wages ever seen in football. All this at a time when they hadn't won the league in over 20 years. They had one, 1, ONE, home grown player in that squad (Ryan Giggs). So everything about that whole squad was about what they'd bought in at a time they had been no more successful in the 70's and 80's than Boro were in the 90's and early 2000's. But because Liverpool had started to decline and the state of football in this country was very poor with no decent teams at all; United went on and won all the trophies with no or very little opposition.

But they are the most over self important 'high and mighty' fans in the world. They think their clubs success was built on great foundations, that all their trophy winning teams were full of home grown players, that they only spent money due to their success; but they did nothing different in the late 80's and early 90's to what City are doing now, and to what they themselves did in the early part of last century. But apparently what we're doing now is a disgrace, we don't deserve it. They still come out with banners saying "YOUR PLAYERS MAKE MONEY, OUR PLAYERS MAKE HISTORY" "YOUR PLAYERS EARN MONEY, OUR PLAYERS EARN RESPECT" Forgetting all along that we are just mirroring them from their early Fergie days, yet we have more home grown players in our squad now than they did in 1992.

Oh and I've not even mentioned that they used the tragedy of the Munich air disaster to propel the name and fame of their club forward. They almost used it as a tool to make the country feel sorry for them and gain fans from around the country. To me that's just sick. And they treated the survivors and the families of the fatalities like shit for decades after.

Also their identity is a fraud. In the first decade of the 1900's they stole our clubs name, Lancashire CCC's ground name and Salford RLFC's club colours. They later stole Salford RLFC's nick name 'The Red Devils' which was given to Salford by the French press after a tour over there saw Salford win all their games and they were termed 'Les Diables Rouge' because they were so fearsome in victory. And now their half-wit fans look like Norwich City. Yet they'll still give our club shit, still have their stupid banner up which won't even mean anything unless we don't win a trophy by 2014, still belittle City and anyone else at every opportunity. But look out Rags your huge club is on the slide and WILL be taken over by... City!

 

[depps]

You obviously know your history.....eh? They really have been shit compared to City....and we call them deluded!

League Champions
1891, 1915, 1928, 1932, 1939, 1963, 1970, 1985, 1987

League Runners-Up
890, 1895, 1902, 1905, 1909, 1912, 1986

(Old) Division Two Champions
1931

(Old) Division Two Runners-up
1954

FA Cup Winners
1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995

FA Cup Finalists
1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009

League Cup Finalists
1977, 1984

European Cup Winners Cup Winners
1985

FA Charity Shield Winners
1928, 1933, 1963, 1970, 1984, 1985, 1986 (shared), 1987, 1995

FA Youth Cup Winners
1965, 1984, 1998

FA Youth Cup Finalists
1961, 1977, 1983, 2002

I've no problem in saying Everton have "rich history."
But so do we.
People confuse the definition of "history" with "winning trophies."
It's not.
It's about what we are,who we are,where we come from-and where we're going.
"Honours" are just a small part of that.

And seriously.....FA youth cup winners,Youth cup finalists,Second division titles,League runners up,FA cup runners up...do they really count as "major honours?"

What about the Stanley park under 12's five a side champions of 1989?Surely they deserve a mention.......;-)

Sunderland have won the top division Six times in their history,well more than us...and yet I bet barely anyone really knows.Or cares.Yet they don't bang on and on about it.

I wonder how many fans of other clubs know we've won the same number of European trophies as Everton-the honours that really define how a club is viewed in the wider footballing world..?Not many I would suspect.

Some clubs shout much louder than others about what they've done in the past....usually the ones for whom the future doesn't look too bright...in typical scouser style,you know fuck all about world football unless you know the "facts" about them and why they're "superior" to your club both morally and spiritually.

The "fact" is that Everton have won one major trophy in almost a quarter of a century.For such a "big club" it It smacks of underperforming and failure...but it's conveniently twisted into the distance.

We've won jack all for 34 years.With a few exceptions and false dawns,during that time we've been,let's face it.... mostly....shite.

On the pitch at least.

But we can do one things the scousers will never do......admit it.

Apparently,because of this we have "no history."

Go figure.

Give this man a standing ovation!!

 

[u2fme2]

evey bloody one of them who think we are going to fail