Why are we hated so much?

[Jack Hackett]

I don't understand this insatiable need to get xx amount of 'fans' who are say....builders or farmers from .. I don't know...Lagos or Dakar they have pretty limited impact re improving finances. Mainly though i think people not supporting a team that they have some links to is pretty poor for football. I watch Enfield now but have been a city 'supporter' since being born in North Manc with avid City supporting dad and family members...but i wouldn't 'start' supporting City just because they were good. I'd be an Enfield Supporter, not just the spectator I am probably. I think that's how it should be. All these 'fans' from around the world are basically blokes who like having a few beers in the bar with the match on TV. They are hardly fans...and i bet not many go and put their effort into supporting say..AS Dakur which, as a football fan is probably where there first love should lie, helping local team, economy, community etc

Enfield fan? You’re a closet Spurs fan?

 

[deafmanstevo]

When i first started going to away games in the mid 80s and through the to 90s , i didnt feel particularly loved going to places like leeds millwall, stoke, birmingham , huddersfield, barnsley, wolves, port vale, boro, portsmouth etc.
Fuck off City
You Manc Bastard
youre the shit of Manchester(not at leeds )
Youre gonna get youre head kicked in
Man City scum
Were some of the comments i got.
We were hated in the lower leagues

 

[franksinatra]

Interesting facts.

Juventus wear black and white striped shirts because their first ones were given to them by Notts County.

We (Arsenal) have red shirts because we were gifted them by Nottingham Forest. Herbert Chapman added the white sleeves.

Nottingham maybe should be where the football hall of fame is based? ;-)

Ha, maybe. Its a shame in some ways it moved from Preston as its a positive to spread such museums around the country and helps those areas attract visitors.

History of football is quite incredible. Particularly how the railways transported the beautiful game to the Americas etc.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Because we win trophies.

 

[WestGorton]

Because we win trophies.

Exactly

 

[WestGorton]

History is the passing of time, not a record of success.

 

[Username Required]

History is the passing of time, not a record of success.

“History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquities. 
” Cicero. ​

 

[WestGorton]

“History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquities. 
” Cicero. ​

Very good

 

[Tolmie scores]

Interesting facts.

Juventus wear black and white striped shirts because their first ones were given to them by Notts County.

We (Arsenal) have red shirts because we were gifted them by Nottingham Forest. Herbert Chapman added the white sleeves.

Nottingham maybe should be where the football hall of fame is based? ;-)

Interesting re your colours history, I didn't know that. Don Revie famously copied Madrid at Leeds. Corinthians in Brazil originally copied Corinthian Casual pick / brown quarter shirts and name of course. We wore a black shirt with large, Maltese cross when we were St Mark's I still can't believe the power of Chapman, getting the Gillespie Rd station named to just 'Arsenal' - this from a football manager in the '30's ..incredible. I think we need to start a campaign to stop young fans quoting History. We even have some young fans half supporting this by saying we are creating history! F'king ridiculous! Every club has history - but some clubs win more in their time - different conversation all together - Need a national eradication of 'istry campaign and replace it with..I don't know - education!!

 

[DD]

Why are we so hated? Because we came from nowhere and started hoovering up titles, and the perception is that we spend billions of pounds every year, buy players to stop others getting them, pay off referees with brown envelopes, and everything we have ever achieved is because we've deliberately cheated our way to the top with inflated sponsorship deals, whilst blatantly sticking two fingers up to FFPR.

Of course, none of it is likely true, but opinions are formed from perceptions, and in a social media driven world, where conspiracy theorists feed off 'confirmation bias' Googling that gives them the answers they want to read, then it's very easy to see why we are so hated.

In reality, we are probably the most hated club that there has ever been, at this moment in time. It's got to the point where I actually don't bother wearing any City related gear now, both at home and abroad, because I can't be arsed with random strangers coming up to me, giving me the third degree.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

“History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquities. 
” Cicero. ​

Interesting.
He also played for Hertha, Wolfsburg and Santos in his long playing career.
Fluminese too as far as I know.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Interesting.
He also played for Hertha, Wolfsburg and Santos in his long playing career.
Fluminese too as far as I know.

Marcus Tullius Cicero was a Lazio fan…

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

Why are we so hated? Because we came from nowhere and started hoovering up titles, and the perception is that we spend billions of pounds every year, buy players to stop others getting them, pay off referees with brown envelopes, and everything we have ever achieved is because we've deliberately cheated our way to the top with inflated sponsorship deals, whilst blatantly sticking two fingers up to FFPR.

Of course, none of it is likely true, but opinions are formed from perceptions, and in a social media driven world, where conspiracy theorists feed off 'confirmation bias' Googling that gives them the answers they want to read, then it's very easy to see why we are so hated.

In reality, we are probably the most hated club that there has ever been, at this moment in time. It's got to the point where I actually don't bother wearing any City related gear now, both at home and abroad, because I can't be arsed with random strangers coming up to me, giving me the third degree.

You must meet up with the wrong people. Everyone I meet always talks about our fantastic football. Even United fans. Mind you, I have always tried to be complimentary about other clubs without trying to start an argument. It only seems to be Liverpool who are not wanted to win anything!

 

[DD]

You must meet up with the wrong people. Everyone I meet always talks about our fantastic football. Even United fans. Mind you, I have always tried to be complimentary about other clubs without trying to start an argument. It only seems to be Liverpool who are not wanted to win anything!

The people I know are fine, and I live in a very mixed area in terms of football support, but go to random places, as I often do, and you can feel the hate burning into you. Should you end up in conversation, it's never about the quality of football, but the 'validity' of our expenditure, the colour of our seats, and an in-depth investigation into the length of my support.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Because we aren’t Utd or Liverpool end of .

 

[Vialli98]

I was going to say thank you for a positive answer until the last paragraph :)

But on that, if no-one hates us as a club, per se, why do you think there isn't much positivity around when it comes to City. No recognition that we broke the United (recent)/Liverpool (historically) dominance, no recognition of the 2012 and 2022 season finales beating United and Liverpool, No recognition of the way City have changed the way the game is played in the last six years? Why do you think that is?

Your last paragraph is probably what the op meant by hated. It proves what an excellent job the media has done in insidiously brainwashing fans of other clubs. Every game constantly mentioning how much our team and bench cost compared to the other team, yet never mentioning this when the other big spending clubs play. Refering to us as state owned, which we're not and oil money ( As if that's somehow worse than other ways of earning money) and that we have a bigger squad than anyone else. Of course they never mention everybody is allowed the same sized squad and due to ffp can only spend the money they generate. Even when CAS cleared us they said we'd escaped on a technicality, which wasn't true and mention the 10 million pound fine for non cooperation. Too right we didn't bloody cooperate, the same with the premier league, when everything we said and sent was being leaked to our rivals and the press.
Then we have the downplaying of our achievements. Never headlines, if we are then we are quickly bumped down the pages. Crying it was unfair competition when we thrashed Watford 6-0 in the fa cup final when if a red shirted team has done it then it would have been "Ruthless United/Liverpool put on a superb display to show how good they are and crush poor Watford in the process." On and on it goes, never ending. After ten years of this no wonder other fans aren't positive about our club.

Yeah I think it is because of all of those things you mentioned. Whenever City come up in conversation it's always around the topic of being state owned, oil backed, so even when people commend the successes you mentioned it's always prefaced with state owned, oil money etc, and going forward it would not surprise me if words like 'cheated' is added to the list with which people preface praise for City.

That said, if there was a 6 way title race and you asked people who they wanted to win out of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Spurs and Liverpool I'd imagine most would say City.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

That said, if there was a 6 way title race and you asked people who they wanted to win out of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Spurs and Liverpool I'd imagine most would say City.

Purely impressionistic on my part, of course, but I think it's a bit more complicated:

There are supporters of other clubs within Greater London. Then there are supporters of other clubs throughout the land. Then, there are the people (and they are very significant numerically, and I believe in terms of revenue to the satellite tv companies) who take a passing interest in the PL, don't particularly consider themselves supporters of any club, and have certainly never been through the turnstiles anywhere, but who quite like to watch this and that match on the telly.
I believe that the reactions will be very different to those six that you propose depending on which of the three categories they fall into.
The third category — and I'm virtually sure of this, because I'm thinking of friends of mine who fall into it — have a sort of lazy benevolence towards either United or Liverpool. They submit to the permanent tsunami of propaganda about “the magic of European nights”, “the Busby babes”, plucky Liverpool, glamorous United, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam, who “play football the right way”, and on a shoestring at that! Oh, and having teams made up of their youth team products, of course. They are told to favour those two clubs, and by and large they are inertly obedient to the order.
Within Greater London it's a different story, I think, but I'm much less sure of my ground. Arsenal fans would, I think, rather anyone won it except Spurs. And vice versa. Chelsea fans seem to hate Spurs almost as much as Arsenal fans do, and my impression is that they'd rather anyone than Spurs, although the prospect of Arsenal winning it does not exactly fill them with glee. Spurs fans appear to hate and look down (God knows why!) on just about everybody. Just my impression. I don't know and have never met anyone for whom Spurs were their “second” team.
When Spurs met Liverpool in the CL final I had a terrible choice to make. I was kind of rooting for Spurs, in so far as I cared about the event at all, but I felt filthy about it.
My experience with fans of other clubs outside London is that they dislike both United and Liverpool fairly intensely, and would rather anyone else from your list won it, as the lesser of two evils. Mainly from having the experience of arrogant — and sometimes violent — fans at their grounds and in their pubs for some forty years (and still now). Those disliked fans are by no means always from Manchester and Liverpool, by the way. Far from it. It's not rare that the billy-big-bollocks fans of United and Liverpool have rarely or never set foot in the north-west.

 

[Zapcity]

When reading an interview a while back with Steve Earle the American Country/Rock guitar dude he said he didn't like us (not sure the used the actual word 'hate') because he knew that Liam and Noel Gallagher support us and he thinks Oasis are extremely overated.
A bit ' junior school playground 'mentality imo, and a lot of Americans don't really get (proper) football anyway..Have to say though I do think Copperhead Road still 'kicks ass' all these years on!

 

[A57 the snake]

Reading some of the post match comments from tonight this thread could be merged.

 

[Bald fraud]

When reading an interview a while back with Steve Earle the American Country/Rock guitar dude he said he didn't like us (not sure the used the actual word 'hate') because he knew that Liam and Noel Gallagher support us and he thinks Oasis are extremely overated.
A bit ' junior school playground 'mentality imo, and a lot of Americans don't really get (proper) football anyway..Have to say though I do think Copperhead Road still 'kicks ass' all these years on!

Who the fuck is Steve Earle!? Ffs