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Only thisBalti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
Only thisBalti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
SWP's back said:Only thisBalti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
Danielmanc said:SWP's back said:Only thisBalti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
He's a cock of the highest order.....must be something in the initials I am beginning to think
jay_mcfc said:and Fantasyireland; 'the acceleration of the need of a change in management'... what the fuck is that all about? We are out of europe, anything to do with that is now history for this season. If you or anyone else thinks that should be solved by him being sacked in the summer then that is your choice but there is no need and no point to sack him now under any circumstance.
Some people need to grow a pair. Winning leagues is not easy and at times we will not be at our best. But, as last season proved, if you get it right at the right time and in the big games you will win the league.
Hopefully tomorrow will shut a few people up.
DD said:Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.
If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.
I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.
It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.
I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:DD said:Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.
If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.
I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.
It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.
I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.
Do us a favour run yourself a bath, hop in and whilst you're at it throw the fuckin TV in with you.
P.S make sure the TV is plugged in and switched on unless it would just be pointless throwing it in the bath with you.
FantasyIreland said:jay_mcfc said:and Fantasyireland; 'the acceleration of the need of a change in management'... what the fuck is that all about? We are out of europe, anything to do with that is now history for this season. If you or anyone else thinks that should be solved by him being sacked in the summer then that is your choice but there is no need and no point to sack him now under any circumstance.
Some people need to grow a pair. Winning leagues is not easy and at times we will not be at our best. But, as last season proved, if you get it right at the right time and in the big games you will win the league.
Hopefully tomorrow will shut a few people up.
Simple,i don't rate Mancini above 'good'.I beleieve there are other managers available with superior talent and credentials,if we choose to sit back and let other clubs employ them then,IMO,more fool us.
Some people can be so consumed with playing a character they make a mistake, which whilst not apparent to them, is immediately obvious to those they are seeking to fool.Balti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
WellDD said:Danielmanc said:SWP's back said:Only this
He's a cock of the highest order.....must be something in the initials I am beginning to think
I want us to win the league. That's the bigger picture to which I refer. My opinion could quite feasibly be that anyone who wants Mancini to stay is a cock who doesn't want us to win the league.
I have no delusions regarding our manager. I saw through him 2½ years ago. It isn;t my fault some of you lot and sharp enough to see it. ;)
FantasyIreland said:Simple,i don't rate Mancini above 'good'.I beleieve there are other managers available with superior talent and credentials,if we choose to sit back and let other clubs employ them then,IMO,more fool us.
DD said:I want us to win the league. That's the bigger picture to which I refer.
gordondaviesmoustache said:Some people can be so consumed with playing a character they make a mistake, which whilst not apparent to them, is immediately obvious to those they are seeking to fool.Balti said:no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager
DD said:Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:DD said:Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.
If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.
I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.
It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.
I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.
Do us a favour run yourself a bath, hop in and whilst you're at it throw the fuckin TV in with you.
P.S make sure the TV is plugged in and switched on unless it would just be pointless throwing it in the bath with you.
Sorry Flossy!
Oh excellent. Another thick dick who is good at replying with global points without actually answering any questions.
BAAAAA!!!
-- Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:06 pm --
FantasyIreland said:jay_mcfc said:and Fantasyireland; 'the acceleration of the need of a change in management'... what the fuck is that all about? We are out of europe, anything to do with that is now history for this season. If you or anyone else thinks that should be solved by him being sacked in the summer then that is your choice but there is no need and no point to sack him now under any circumstance.
Some people need to grow a pair. Winning leagues is not easy and at times we will not be at our best. But, as last season proved, if you get it right at the right time and in the big games you will win the league.
Hopefully tomorrow will shut a few people up.
Simple,i don't rate Mancini above 'good'.I beleieve there are other managers available with superior talent and credentials,if we choose to sit back and let other clubs employ them then,IMO,more fool us.
And that's excatly the point.
What, you saw through him before we won the FA Cup, Premier League and Community Shield, before we were even in the Champions League?DD said:Danielmanc said:SWP's back said:Only this
He's a cock of the highest order.....must be something in the initials I am beginning to think
I want us to win the league. That's the bigger picture to which I refer. My opinion could quite feasibly be that anyone who wants Mancini to stay is a cock who doesn't want us to win the league.
I have no delusions regarding our manager. I saw through him 2½ years ago. It isn;t my fault some of you lot and sharp enough to see it. ;)
DD said:You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".
With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.
DD said:You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".
DD said:You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".
With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.
Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.
When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.
The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.
I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.
City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.
If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.
Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?
Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.
If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.
DD said:You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".
With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.
Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.
When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.
The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.
I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.
City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.
If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.
Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?
Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.
If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:DD said:Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:Do us a favour run yourself a bath, hop in and whilst you're at it throw the fuckin TV in with you.
P.S make sure the TV is plugged in and switched on unless it would just be pointless throwing it in the bath with you.
Sorry Flossy!
Oh excellent. Another thick dick who is good at replying with global points without actually answering any questions.
BAAAAA!!!
-- Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:06 pm --
FantasyIreland said:Simple,i don't rate Mancini above 'good'.I beleieve there are other managers available with superior talent and credentials,if we choose to sit back and let other clubs employ them then,IMO,more fool us.
And that's excatly the point.
I always thought a thick dick was someone who would prefer their club lose an important game just so a manager which they have a vendetta against could possibly get sacked in the future!
Problem is you put a twat in front of a PC and give them a football forum to post on and all of a sudden they turn into fuckin professional football analysis who knows which manager would do better and what out coffee would come from it!
You say someone like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players? What if someone like Jürgen Klopp didn't? Would you wish us to lose the league again so we can get the next manager in who you think is the right man for the job?
Mancini has won us the F.A cup, the league and the charity shield.... 3 trophies in 3 years make do with that seeing as 3 years ago we had fuck all for 35 years!
Champions league I'll admit he has let us down THIS season last season even though we didn't qualify we ended on 10 points which pretty much on 99% of the occasion would get you through to the last 32....
DD said:You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".
With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.
Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.
When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.
The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.
I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.
City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.
If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.
Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?
Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.
If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.
I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.