Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Anonymous]

To put it all on one person is bollocks IMO, it was a collective failure.

It's not bollocks, it's why managers are employed. To be responsible for the collective.

So you're saying that the players shouldn't shoulder any responsibility for our failures in Europe.

Like I said, bollocks.

That's not what I said. If you think that's what I said, or you gleaned that from my post, I'd suggest your not reading it properly or choosing to spin it in such a way as to be able to repeat your nonsense "Like I said, bollocks".

The manager of a team is responsible for the collective underperformance of said team. Anyone who argues different doesn't understand a manager's function within a team sport.

 

[dancity19]

It's not bollocks, it's why managers are employed. To be responsible for the collective.

So you're saying that the players shouldn't shoulder any responsibility for our failures in Europe.

Like I said, bollocks.

That's not what I said. If you think that's what I said, or you gleaned that from my post, I'd suggest your not reading it properly or choosing to spin it in such a way as to be able to repeat your nonsense "Like I said, bollocks".

The manager of a team is responsible for the collective underperformance of said team. Anyone who argues different doesn't understand a manager's function within a team sport.

I don't understand people who think like this. Yes, it was a collective failure, and when a player performs poorly he must shoulder some blame. But the person ultimately responsible for the success/failure of a team is the manager. That is his job. View it like a hierarchy, and in terms of staff directly linked to the football, he is the one that shoulders the blame.

If a company isn't making the profit it should be making, there might be a lot of under performing staff who will be judged, but ultimately the person who will be blamed is the CEO, for their leadership, or lack of, and it is him who will get the boot from the shareholders. Exactly the same principle in football.

 

[moomba]

That's not what I said. If you think that's what I said, or you gleaned that from my post, I'd suggest your not reading it properly or choosing to spin it in such a way as to be able to repeat your nonsense "Like I said, bollocks".

The manager of a team is responsible for the collective underperformance of said team. Anyone who argues different doesn't understand a manager's function within a team sport.

I responded to a post that said that our failure in Europe was solely down to Mancini's tactics.

I said bollocks and you've disagreed. Maybe you could take your own advice and read the posts properly.

-- Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:10 pm --

I don't understand people who think like this. Yes, it was a collective failure, and when a player performs poorly he must shoulder some blame. But the person ultimately responsible for the success/failure of a team is the manager. That is his job. View it like a hierarchy, and in terms of staff directly linked to the football, he is the one that shoulders the blame.

If a company isn't making the profit it should be making, there might be a lot of under performing staff who will be judged, but ultimately the person who will be blamed is the CEO, for their leadership, or lack of, and it is him who will get the boot from the shareholders. Exactly the same principle in football.

Managers always will be held responsible for the failures of the collective, it's only fair that they also get credit for collective success.

But 16 games into the season isn't the time to start making definitive judgements over failure and success, and as mentioned above my post was in response to another saying that our failures in Europe were solely down to Mancini's tactics.

To me that's ignoring the roles played by our players in the failure. But I'm getting the feeling that some are happy to do that if it focuses attention on the managers role.

 

[Chippy_boy]

We're not quite half way through the season yet and we have already had some excellent performances.

We're roughly on a par with matching our results from last season (maybe 2 points behind), if we can maintain that par we'll win the league again.

No need to rush into judgement, we all expect improvement over the course fo the season and if that doesn't happen their will be consequences I'm sure.

Mate, you need to take the blue glasses off.

1. If as you rightly state we are 2 points off where we were last year, then maintain that rate and CLEARLY we won't win the league again.

2. After 16 games, how many excellent performances have we had? One? Two? I would say we have had some dire performances and some OK performances, but hardly any excellent performances. If any.

3. We all expected improvement from the end of last season. Now we are expecting it over the course of this season? Teams often have a dip in form around now and we are soon to lose Yaya to the ACN.

Of course we all hope we will suddenly snap into gear. But hope is not a strategy.

 

[Anonymous]

But I'm getting the feeling that some are happy to do that if it focuses attention on the managers role.

And there we have it.

 

[moomba]

Mate, you need to take the blue glasses off.

I'm not wearing any.

1. If as you rightly state we are 2 points off where we were last year, then maintain that rate and CLEARLY we won't win the league again.

89 points will win us the league IMO.

2. After 16 games, how many excellent performances have we had? One? Two? I would say we have had some dire performances and some OK performances, but hardly any excellent performances. If any.

Disagree

3. We all expected improvement from the end of last season. Now we are expecting it over the course of this season? Teams often have a dip in form around now and we are soon to lose Yaya to the ACN.

Of course we all hope we will suddenly snap into gear. But hope is not a strategy.

We're supporters, we don't need a strategy.

 

[warringtonblue]

We're not quite half way through the season yet and we have already had some excellent performances.

We're roughly on a par with matching our results from last season (maybe 2 points behind), if we can maintain that par we'll win the league again.

No need to rush into judgement, we all expect improvement over the course fo the season and if that doesn't happen their will be consequences I'm sure.

The problem here is that none of the players we've recruited are improvements on what we have lost, whereas other teams (meaning our main rivals) have improved and this will show itself over the course of the season. Keeping the core of last seasons starting 11 together and playing the best 11 regular is the only way to improve other than recruiting better players.

On another note, get well soon NDJ

 

[scotty123]

Adrian Durham on talkshite now, Mancini must go now hes undoing all the good work he did last year

Do you think otherwise?

Yes, we cannot keep on changing managers every two years, but i was pissed off with his starting eleven yesterday

-- Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:16 pm --

Adrian Durham on talkshite now, Mancini must go now hes undoing all the good work he did last year

Gough thinks every City player is on £250k a week. Clicky off.

Im gonna listen to this to hear if Gough really is as thick as iv been told he is

Blues split half and half phoning up, some people have short memories

 

[dancity19]

That's not what I said. If you think that's what I said, or you gleaned that from my post, I'd suggest your not reading it properly or choosing to spin it in such a way as to be able to repeat your nonsense "Like I said, bollocks".

The manager of a team is responsible for the collective underperformance of said team. Anyone who argues different doesn't understand a manager's function within a team sport.

I responded to a post that said that our failure in Europe was solely down to Mancini's tactics.

I said bollocks and you've disagreed. Maybe you could take your own advice and read the posts properly.

-- Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:10 pm --

I don't understand people who think like this. Yes, it was a collective failure, and when a player performs poorly he must shoulder some blame. But the person ultimately responsible for the success/failure of a team is the manager. That is his job. View it like a hierarchy, and in terms of staff directly linked to the football, he is the one that shoulders the blame.

If a company isn't making the profit it should be making, there might be a lot of under performing staff who will be judged, but ultimately the person who will be blamed is the CEO, for their leadership, or lack of, and it is him who will get the boot from the shareholders. Exactly the same principle in football.

Managers always will be held responsible for the failures of the collective, it's only fair that they also get credit for collective success.

But 16 games into the season isn't the time to start making definitive judgements over failure and success, and as mentioned above my post was in response to another saying that our failures in Europe were solely down to Mancini's tactics.

To me that's ignoring the roles played by our players in the failure. But I'm getting the feeling that some are happy to do that if it focuses attention on the managers role.

Yep, as I said, the person ultimately responsible the successes/failures of a team is the manager.

I never made a definitive judgement, did I? I commented on what we have seen so far this season, and compared it to an extent with where we were last season. What we are seeing this season is below par performances for the most part, and the last couple of weeks have seen us drop points, too.

If you think we are performing well/ where we should be then there is no point in this going further because we disagree on an absolute fundamental.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I wish I had a pair of moomba's blue tinted glasses.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I'll support Mancini until the point when the owners decide it is time to change, or if he leaves on his own volition.

I'm all for debating his decisions, his tactics, his formations and his all-round ability but to actively call for his head and wish him gone seems very counter-productive for me.

 

[moomba]

I wish I had a pair of moomba's blue tinted glasses.

Why is it that people can't accept that others can have different opinions on a matter without having a bias or being unrealistic or having blue tinted glasses.

I think it's too early to write off our season, I think judgement on the manager shouldn't take place after 16 games of a season when we haven't been nearly as bad as people have been making out, just as I think 16 games would be too early to make a judgement if things were going much better. I've said that ultimately the manager will be held responsible for our performances, and that we should have an expectation that performances will improve. I've also said in other threads that failure in Europe next season will be the end of Mancini regardless of how we go in the league.

I'm not sure how that indicates I'm wearing blue tinted glasses. Or is it just easier to try and take the piss than debate the topic?

 

[Deleted member 52846]

I'll support Mancini until the point when the owners decide it is time to change, or if he leaves on his own volition.

I'm all for debating his decisions, his tactics, his formations and his all-round ability but to actively call for his head and wish him gone seems very counter-productive for me.

I'd go as far to say "stupid".

I think it's good to discuss where a manager or player is going wrong, or not doing things right, but the reaction to that should be "he needs to do xxx to improve on that" NOT "I want him out, had enough now, I want to suck the sweat from the arse crack of a contemptible wanker of a human being who I want to manage us next".

Plus right now, I don't think Roberto is doing anything particularly wrong; I just thing our strikers couldn't finish a girl off with a Hitachi body massager at the moment and that is the only reason we're not doing as well as we "should".

 

[oppa gangnam style]

Not the new Spanish officials gave 5 year contract to Mancini but surely Khaldoon did or his men. And the same ones hired the Spanish guys.

Yeah it's maybe not like Mancini would get his wage for 5 full years in one lump sum if he is fired but still there is a reason it is 5 year and not 4 year or 3 year.

Khaldoon and co. knew exactly they are looking for new CEO/technical director wen they were talking about Mancini's contract.

I am not saying Mancini's 5 year contract will save him but the ones who gave him this contract made a big mistake or his agent is Agent Magic.

Mancini is the owners' first manager they hired him not like Sparky, and he iproved the team in the league every year: 5th place, 3rd place, 1 st place.

CL was horrible but Mancini asked players in the summer he ended up with Sinclair and co. Even if they will become useful they are not the players that will win you CL.

But in group of death like we had every big coach could fail.

Mancini is probably better to win the league to save his job but it will be a strange thing if he gets the axe.

If he goes then Pep comes in and next year if he wins nothing he has to go as well then and we are where Chelsea basically. Players would get then big power and could decide their manager's fate even easier then ever.

Dont know what's the best solution.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

Not the new Spanish officials gave 5 year contract to Mancini but surely Khaldoon did or his men. And the same ones hired the Spanish guys.

Yeah it's maybe not like Mancini would get his wage for 5 full years in one lump sum if he is fired but still there is a reason it is 5 year and not 4 year or 3 year.

Khaldoon and co. knew exactly they are looking for new CEO/technical director wen they were talking about Mancini's contract.

I am not saying Mancini's 5 year contract will save him but the ones who gave him this contract made a big mistake or his agent is Agent Magic.

Mancini is the owners' first manager they hired him not like Sparky, and he iproved the team in the league every year: 5th place, 3rd place, 1 st place.

CL was horrible but Mancini asked players in the summer he ended up with Sinclair and co. Even if they will become useful they are not the players that will win you CL.

But in group of death like we had every big coach could fail.

Mancini is probably better to win the league to save his job but it will be a strange thing if he gets the axe.

If he goes then Pep comes in and next year if he wins nothing he has to go as well then and we are where Chelsea basically. Players would get then big power and could decide their manager's fate even easier then ever.

Dont know what's the best solution.

I don't think Roberto's five year contract is/was a mistake as I think the owner/too ranking club officials want Roberto long term.

Also if Pep came in and won nothing he would not have to go as well, at all. Again, he would just need more time to get things right.

 

[robbieh]

Mancini is not the best football manager in the world. Let's get over it.

Neither is Ferguson, the man who blew an 8 point lead with 6 games to go. Did they sack him?

Maybe people think because we are so rich that we automatically should have the best manager.

Many more illustrious clubs than us including Arsenal, Bayern, Juventus, Liverpool, Milan, Barca are struggling along without the services of Mourinho.

How do they do it? I have no idea. But we may have to get used to it.

 

[Cellarite]

Not the new Spanish officials gave 5 year contract to Mancini but surely Khaldoon did or his men. And the same ones hired the Spanish guys.

Yeah it's maybe not like Mancini would get his wage for 5 full years in one lump sum if he is fired but still there is a reason it is 5 year and not 4 year or 3 year.

Khaldoon and co. knew exactly they are looking for new CEO/technical director wen they were talking about Mancini's contract.

I am not saying Mancini's 5 year contract will save him but the ones who gave him this contract made a big mistake or his agent is Agent Magic.

Mancini is the owners' first manager they hired him not like Sparky, and he iproved the team in the league every year: 5th place, 3rd place, 1 st place.

CL was horrible but Mancini asked players in the summer he ended up with Sinclair and co. Even if they will become useful they are not the players that will win you CL.

But in group of death like we had every big coach could fail.

Mancini is probably better to win the league to save his job but it will be a strange thing if he gets the axe.

If he goes then Pep comes in and next year if he wins nothing he has to go as well then and we are where Chelsea basically. Players would get then big power and could decide their manager's fate even easier then ever.

Dont know what's the best solution.

A change of username?

 

[Quinny851]

Mancini is not the best football manager in the world. Let's get over it.

Neither is Ferguson, the man who blew an 8 point lead with 6 games to go. Did they sack him?

Maybe people think because we are so rich that we automatically should have the best manager.

Many more illustrious clubs than us including Arsenal, Bayern, Juventus, Liverpool, Milan, Barca are struggling along without the services of Mourinho.

How do they do it? I have no idea. But we may have to get used to it.

Anyone can manage Barca because the team basically picks itself. Milan are struggling, Juve are always chopping and changing managers. Bayern are the same. Arsenal have won fuck all in 7 years, Liverpool have had 3 managers in the last 4 years and don't even qualify for the CL.

The reason why I want Mancini to go is because I believe he has taken us as far as he can go. Whether it was him, Marwood or Khaldoon who failed to buy our number 1 targets, we now have a weaker squad than at the end of last season.

Unfortunately the manager has to take the hit for that.

 

[oppa gangnam style]

Not the new Spanish officials gave 5 year contract to Mancini but surely Khaldoon did or his men. And the same ones hired the Spanish guys.

Yeah it's maybe not like Mancini would get his wage for 5 full years in one lump sum if he is fired but still there is a reason it is 5 year and not 4 year or 3 year.

Khaldoon and co. knew exactly they are looking for new CEO/technical director wen they were talking about Mancini's contract.

I am not saying Mancini's 5 year contract will save him but the ones who gave him this contract made a big mistake or his agent is Agent Magic.

Mancini is the owners' first manager they hired him not like Sparky, and he iproved the team in the league every year: 5th place, 3rd place, 1 st place.

CL was horrible but Mancini asked players in the summer he ended up with Sinclair and co. Even if they will become useful they are not the players that will win you CL.

But in group of death like we had every big coach could fail.

Mancini is probably better to win the league to save his job but it will be a strange thing if he gets the axe.

If he goes then Pep comes in and next year if he wins nothing he has to go as well then and we are where Chelsea basically. Players would get then big power and could decide their manager's fate even easier then ever.

Dont know what's the best solution.

I don't think Roberto's five year contract is/was a mistake as I think the owner/too ranking club officials want Roberto long term.

Also if Pep came in and won nothing he would not have to go as well, at all. Again, he would just need more time to get things right.

Well 5 year contract was a mistake if he will be fired this season. it is like we give you 5 more year but one bad season and it is over so basically we give you an "ultimatum".

If Pep would win nothing well imagine what would happen. Now we think he would improve us immediately in Cl too but you never know.

Still I think Bayern/Chelsea can be a little bit closer to Pep.
If they would hire these ex-Barca officials it would be certain that he goes there.
We hired ex-Barca officials but it is far from guaranteed he comes here. He doesnt even know will we fire Mancni or not while Chelsea will fire Brenítez.

 

[Balti]

104 pages for a bullshit thread

Wow