With guardialo joining Munich,Now Mancini should be backed

[Nevizade]

Get the next best available manager. Simple ;-)

Serious question Dave, who do you reckon that is, IF Mourinho isn't available? Klopp? Van Gaal? Ancelotti? Simeone?

If you are changing managers you do it because you don't believe the existing man can fulfil the club's future objectives. And you replace him with the best available. So I can't answer the question until I know who's available and who would take the job.

I'm not being obtuse, that's just how it is. What I know is that our job has a serious pull and we'd never be short of candidates. Personally, I believe mourinho would love our job.

Fair enough, just asking like. If Mourinho isn't available there's no one who immediately springs to my mind that I think is significantly better than Mancini, hence I'd keep him myself. However, in Txiki and Ferran I trust, we really have got some top men at the helm now.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Roberto is the second most succesful manager in the history of MCFC. As the OP says he should be backed to the hilt.

People may try to undermine him, but they must have a strange agenda.

Totally agree with this comment, can someone please explain just what has Mancini done wrong apart from give us utter elation and pride in our club in the last couple of years, some of you on here have a very short memory and be careful what you wish for because one day Bobby will be gone and we could be saddled with some right tosser just like we have had in the past, remember the likes of Frank Clarke,Phil Neal etc. Come on lads get behind our manager,there are not many better.

Not sure Phil Neal or Frank Clark will be on ADUG's radar if they sack Mancini tbh.

 

[AustinBlue]

Roberto is the second most succesful manager in the history of MCFC. As the OP says he should be backed to the hilt.

People may try to undermine him, but they must have a strange agenda.

Totally agree with this comment, can someone please explain just what has Mancini done wrong apart from give us utter elation and pride in our club in the last couple of years, some of you on here have a very short memory and be careful what you wish for because one day Bobby will be gone and we could be saddled with some right tosser just like we have had in the past, remember the likes of Frank Clarke,Phil Neal etc. Come on lads get behind our manager,there are not many better.

Can we get behind him at the game, but raise questions on internet boards for the purpose of discussion? Is that allowed? I think we better serve the club by asking raising legitimate questions about tactics, man management, transfer targets and sharing the information and observations we have. I think Mancini works hard for our success and has been a good manager. I think there is also value in long term consistency. But I have legitimate questions about some aspects of his management: The insistence on buying Savic, the lack of a plan B against massed defences last year, then replacements of the scouting team, academy coaches, and team doctor, the weird dynamic of Platt and Kidd. I don't think any leader necessarily is hurt by having his constituency discuss aspects of the leadership. We aren't bloody Americans, having to be all happy clappy and ra ra about someone. We can support him and still ask questions in my opinion.

 

[andyhinch]

Roberto is the second most succesful manager in the history of MCFC. As the OP says he should be backed to the hilt.

People may try to undermine him, but they must have a strange agenda.

Totally agree with this comment, can someone please explain just what has Mancini done wrong apart from give us utter elation and pride in our club in the last couple of years, some of you on here have a very short memory and be careful what you wish for because one day Bobby will be gone and we could be saddled with some right tosser just like we have had in the past, remember the likes of Frank Clarke,Phil Neal etc. Come on lads get behind our manager,there are not many better.

Can we get behind him at the game, but raise questions on internet boards for the purpose of discussion? Is that allowed? I think we better serve the club by asking raising legitimate questions about tactics, man management, transfer targets and sharing the information and observations we have. I think Mancini works hard for our success and has been a good manager. I think there is also value in long term consistency. But I have legitimate questions about some aspects of his management: The insistence on buying Savic, the lack of a plan B against massed defences last year, then replacements of the scouting team, academy coaches, and team doctor, the weird dynamic of Platt and Kidd. I don't think any leader necessarily is hurt by having his constituency discuss aspects of the leadership. We aren't bloody Americans, having to be all happy clappy and ra ra about someone. We can support him and still ask questions in my opinion.

Don't ask questions for gods sake who knows where it could lead:)

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Bobby will guide us to the treble next season after Txiki over-sees a proper structured transfer window this summer.

 

[stonerblue]

Get the next best available manager. Simple ;-)

Serious question Dave, who do you reckon that is, IF Mourinho isn't available? Klopp? Van Gaal? Ancelotti? Simeone?

If you are changing managers you do it because you don't believe the existing man can fulfil the club's future objectives. And you replace him with the best available. So I can't answer the question until I know who's available and who would take the job.

I'm not being obtuse, that's just how it is. What I know is that our job has a serious pull and we'd never be short of candidates. Personally, I believe mourinho would love our job.

Funny that as i thought changing a manager was down to their side being shit in previous games.

 

[dancity19]

This is getting pretty funny. If you think the non-availability of guardiola changes the expectations of Mancini this season you're deluded. He failed in Europe yet again. He has to succeed in the league again. Nothing's changed in the slightest.

Except for one crucial thing: Mourinho is now the red hot favourite to take over from him should he be sacked.

*adopts evil grin* He might even have already agreed to take over, hence pep's decision...

Regardless, today's news suits me right down to the ground. We win the title or Jose takes over. A perfect win-win ;-)

You are right, Dave; the expectations have not changed at all. Just because Guardiola is now off the market, it doesn't make finishing 7 points off United any less of a failure, just as it wouldn't make finishing 7 points ahead of united any less of an achievement.

What has changed, and this is on a personal level, but my perception of how safe Mancini's job is.
In real terms, this hasn't changed a jot to city; they ultimately know how 'safe' Mancini's job is, and if indeed there were ever talks with Pep, they will have known for a while he was going to Bayern.
On the other hand, there may not have been any longing for Pep, and therefore, nothing has changed to the club.

I do think, though, with fewer top managers on the market, Mancini's position becomes a little more cemented, if not least by process of elimination- fewer guys who the club would want to take over.

I asked Billy the other day- does someone know that the club are considering a change. Or, have these numerous threads been based upon conjecture on the following factors: poor first half of the season, shocker in Europe and some of the very top managers in Europe on the market.

Ultimately, I don't think we know (if you do, fair enough) what is going on, and what the board are thinking. They may have no intention of changing managers, equally, like you say, Mourinho could be high on their list, and could have agreed a contract- who knows.

Mancini's aims, and the clubs expectations of him have not changed in the slightest because Pep has gone. Just because he is no longer a free agent, doesn't mean Mancini can let his guard down, and relax a little. But, MY perception, and it is only my perception, of how safe Mancini's job is has changed a little.

This might only be down to the initial shock that Pep has taken the Bayern job, though.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Serious question Dave, who do you reckon that is, IF Mourinho isn't available? Klopp? Van Gaal? Ancelotti? Simeone?

If you are changing managers you do it because you don't believe the existing man can fulfil the club's future objectives. And you replace him with the best available. So I can't answer the question until I know who's available and who would take the job.

I'm not being obtuse, that's just how it is. What I know is that our job has a serious pull and we'd never be short of candidates. Personally, I believe mourinho would love our job.

Funny that as i thought changing a manager was down to their side being shit in previous games.

Maybe if you are Barry Fry firing John Beck that's the case. But with a top club the decision is taken on whether the manager is deemed to be the correct man for the future. Results are obviously part of that but if you are Txiki Begeristain I would hope that you don't sit down a manager and say "we are dismissing you because you were shit in previous games".

The sack isn't a punishment, it's a strategic decision by a club.

 

[Danielmanc]

This is getting pretty funny. If you think the non-availability of guardiola changes the expectations of Mancini this season you're deluded. He failed in Europe yet again. He has to succeed in the league again. Nothing's changed in the slightest.

Except for one crucial thing: Mourinho is now the red hot favourite to take over from him should he be sacked.

*adopts evil grin* He might even have already agreed to take over, hence pep's decision...

Regardless, today's news suits me right down to the ground. We win the title or Jose takes over. A perfect win-win ;-)

You are right, Dave; the expectations have not changed at all. Just because Guardiola is now off the market, it doesn't make finishing 7 points off United any less of a failure, just as it wouldn't make finishing 7 points ahead of united any less of an achievement.

What has changed, and this is on a personal level, but my perception of how safe Mancini's job is.
In real terms, this hasn't changed a jot to city; they ultimately know how 'safe' Mancini's job is, and if indeed there were ever talks with Pep, they will have known for a while he was going to Bayern.
On the other hand, there may not have been any longing for Pep, and therefore, nothing has changed to the club.

I do think, though, with fewer top managers on the market, Mancini's position becomes a little more cemented, if not least by process of elimination- fewer guys who the club would want to take over.

I asked Billy the other day- does someone know that the club are considering a change. Or, have these numerous threads been based upon conjecture on the following factors: poor first half of the season, shocker in Europe and some of the very top managers in Europe on the market.

Ultimately, I don't think we know (if you do, fair enough) what is going on, and what the board are thinking. They may have no intention of changing managers, equally, like you say, Mourinho could be high on their list, and could have agreed a contract- who knows.

Mancini's aims, and the clubs expectations of him have not changed in the slightest because Pep has gone. Just because he is no longer a free agent, doesn't mean Mancini can let his guard down, and relax a little. But, MY perception, and it is only my perception, of how safe Mancini's job is has changed a little.

This might only be down to the initial shock that Pep has taken the Bayern job, though.

But is it more of a 'failure' that being in second place 18 points off first ? That's where the manager that some are craving finds himself !

 

[Didsbury Dave]

This is getting pretty funny. If you think the non-availability of guardiola changes the expectations of Mancini this season you're deluded. He failed in Europe yet again. He has to succeed in the league again. Nothing's changed in the slightest.

Except for one crucial thing: Mourinho is now the red hot favourite to take over from him should he be sacked.

*adopts evil grin* He might even have already agreed to take over, hence pep's decision...

Regardless, today's news suits me right down to the ground. We win the title or Jose takes over. A perfect win-win ;-)

You are right, Dave; the expectations have not changed at all. Just because Guardiola is now off the market, it doesn't make finishing 7 points off United any less of a failure, just as it wouldn't make finishing 7 points ahead of united any less of an achievement.

What has changed, and this is on a personal level, but my perception of how safe Mancini's job is.
In real terms, this hasn't changed a jot to city; they ultimately know how 'safe' Mancini's job is, and if indeed there were ever talks with Pep, they will have known for a while he was going to Bayern.
On the other hand, there may not have been any longing for Pep, and therefore, nothing has changed to the club.

I do think, though, with fewer top managers on the market, Mancini's position becomes a little more cemented, if not least by process of elimination- fewer guys who the club would want to take over.

I asked Billy the other day- does someone know that the club are considering a change. Or, have these numerous threads been based upon conjecture on the following factors: poor first half of the season, shocker in Europe and some of the very top managers in Europe on the market.

Ultimately, I don't think we know (if you do, fair enough) what is going on, and what the board are thinking. They may have no intention of changing managers, equally, like you say, Mourinho could be high on their list, and could have agreed a contract- who knows.

Mancini's aims, and the clubs expectations of him have not changed in the slightest because Pep has gone. Just because he is no longer a free agent, doesn't mean Mancini can let his guard down, and relax a little. But, MY perception, and it is only my perception, of how safe Mancini's job is has changed a little.

This might only be down to the initial shock that Pep has taken the Bayern job, though.

Interesting post, dan. What you are dead right on is that noone really knows the thinking at the top level of the club, which is a good thing as the club is keeping it's counsel. There are "ITK"s on this board who hear snippets from behind the scenes; some turn out to be gossip and some turn out to have foundation. I haven't heard a single one of these people suggest that they know a change will be made in summer. All the talk on the forum is based around various pieces of evidence: the Euro Campaign, the 5 year contract, the league form, the Monaco story, the press gossip. Another of those pieces of evidence was the natural link between Txiki/Soriano and Pep. That one's gone now, but it doesn't really change anything. We need to win the league. If we don't, I believe Mancini will be at risk of losing his job. Some believe otherwise.

Neither side of this discussion know the truth. And so we go round and round and probably will until summer. When hopefully we'll be champions again ;-)