I despise the fact he was involved in our fa cup win and I really dont want him to be able to claim any involvement in us winning the league. We're top of the league without him and bringing him back would be a huge mistake.
Would you play Tevez?
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wayne71 said:
Damn right!
The fact that he was on the cover of our cup winning mag just rubs salt in the wound after he threw off the scarves going up the steps at wembley!
Such a dumb analogy. Tevez did not fuck my Mrs. or anyones, for that matter. He did what many players often do, and are free to do. He wanted out. He wanted to move, and he tried to. I am totally fine with that. Needless to say, Yaya and Aguero, 2 of our favorites now, also wanted out of the situations they were in. Nasri wanted out, Lescott wanted out, Milner wanted out, Barry wanted out, Dzeko wanted out. Fuck Half our present team were on contracts somewhere else and whined coz they wanted out, and hence why we got them. Players wanting out is a part of football. Even Tevez wanted out of United, hence why we got him. So why is it so hard to imagine someone would want out of City?Scottyboi said:
It is both childish and dumb to presume, we have an immunity to players wanting out, we don't! Sure, I wanted Tevez sold in January, he wanted to be sold, Mancini wanted him to be sold. But guess what it didn't work out. Which means Tevez is still a City player. He is a good player, and for us to be able to get fair price for him in the summer, it only makes sense that we play him. Especially wen there will be times when we need a striker, like we did at Everton.
City fans need to can all their emotional reactions. The simple fact is City is a stronger squad with Tevez than it is without Tevez.
And lets forget winning the league for a second. Too many are on this dumb argument that Tevez doesn't guarantee we will win the league. So fucking what? No player will guarantee we would win the league. But with Tevez on the bench or giving one of our strikers a breather in games, we have a stronger squad. And I would never want a weaker City squad, just to satisfy some petulant emotional whine!
Get the fuck over yourselves and your self inportance. City is NOT your wife. And what is best for City is what is best for City, regardless of your emotional petulance.
Tevez is a City player. Tevez is a good player. End Of!
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We are still a strong squad without him and top of the league to boot.Dax777 said:
I believe we have debated about the contribution & performances of the team with Tevez (last season) and in his absence this season .
Remember the cliché 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts'.
In terms of quantity and bench strength yes. However the debate is whether or not the whole (with Tevez) can be predicted from the properties of the parts (interactions among the various members of City team) misses the point.
That Tevez will contribute positively or will it be at the expense of the other players (Dzeko, Mario, Aguero et al)? Thats the question
Let me give you an example. In the case of Suarez, Liverpool brilliant results in his 8 games absence. I believe the team performs better (AC, Bellamy, Kuyt et al) without Suarez and his selfish shennanigans & squandering goal opportunities which inordinately drew Liverpool relegation points ( how many draws at Anfield?) this season.
The simple fact is that City team performs better without Tevez. City TABLE TOPPING results this season reflects that!
Remember the cliché 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts'.
In terms of quantity and bench strength yes. However the debate is whether or not the whole (with Tevez) can be predicted from the properties of the parts (interactions among the various members of City team) misses the point.
That Tevez will contribute positively or will it be at the expense of the other players (Dzeko, Mario, Aguero et al)? Thats the question
Let me give you an example. In the case of Suarez, Liverpool brilliant results in his 8 games absence. I believe the team performs better (AC, Bellamy, Kuyt et al) without Suarez and his selfish shennanigans & squandering goal opportunities which inordinately drew Liverpool relegation points ( how many draws at Anfield?) this season.
The simple fact is that City team performs better without Tevez. City TABLE TOPPING results this season reflects that!
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No!!!
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If he apologises, doesn't put a foot wrong, get's fit and plays his heart out I'll be ok with him playing.
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doots said:
Maybe we are top of the League because Mancini changed his defensive formation and decide to use creative midfielder instead of NDJ this season !
And maybe because Clichy started most of the League games, and we become better with Richards and Clichy !
Or maybe because Silva has improved a lot.
And there are many other maybes.
He should never wear the shirt again. You don't bite off the hand that feeds you. He's acted immature, unprofessional, and like a complete twat and completely disrespected our club and I've lost all respect for the guy not only as a footballer but a human being. And you know what? We're better without him, Carlos can get fucked
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Tevez - ''Mancini treated me like a dog''
Looks like he's returning in a great frame of mind and looking for a fresh start (not)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634</a>
Carlos Tevez will resume his Manchester City career despite accusing Roberto Mancini of treating him "like a dog" in the incident that sparked their rift.
Tevez has not played for City since Mancini accused him of refusing to come on against Bayern Munich in September.
The Argentine claimed Mancini swore at him and said "horrible things" but he said on Monday: "I am ready to return, to win and do the best for the club.
"Hopefully I can help City to be champions again."
The club are expecting him to report to their Carrington training ground for fitness tests and Mancini, who initially said Tevez was "finished" at City, says he could now feature in the title run-in.
But it remains to be seen how City will respond to some of Tevez's comments in Monday's lengthy interview with Argentine broadcaster Fox Sports.
"I can imagine myself going on to the field and I'm going to have to be brilliant [to win over the critics]," he added. "It's not going to be easy for me nor the fans.
"If I was wrong, I say sorry. I sincerely believe I did not make a mistake. If it's true [Mancini would welcome me back], of course I like that, if it's for the media, no."
Recounting the circumstances that led to him remaining on the substitutes bench during City's 2-0 defeat in Munich , the 28-year-old Argentina striker heavily criticised Mancini.
"I was kind of in a bad mood and when he brings on [Nigel] de Jong and takes off [Edin] Dzeko, and we're losing 2-0, I thought it was a defensive substitution so I decided to sit back on the bench," he said.
"At the same time Dzeko comes off and is really angry and has a go at Mancini. He then sees the tunnel is closed so he has to sit down next to him and they start to have an argument.
"Dzeko was speaking Bosnian and Mancini would swear at him in Italian so it was a real mess.
"So I go and sit down and he doesn't see me because he's having this discussion. But then he turns around and sees me and you can imagine what happens.
"He's in the middle of an argument so then he tells me to keep on warming up and treats me like a dog.
"So when he spoke to me in that tone of voice, and I said 'No, I'm not going out'. So I was willing to play, but the coach was in such a foul mood because he had that argument with Dzeko.
"He started on me as well, started swearing at me, that was him, because I was very calm. Mancini said some horrible things to me."
City fined Tevez £1.2m for refusing to return from South America and they have not paid his £200,000-a-week salary since he has been there.
He was linked with moves to Inter Milan, AC Milan and Paris St Germain during the transfer window but nothing materialised.
Tevez, who is under contract until July 2014, accepts not all City fans will welcome his return but has adopted a conciliatory approach.
"I believe they were misinformed, they weren't told the facts," he said. "So that when they were told I didn't want to play they naturally turned against me.
"If a player doesn't want to play for the team that's paying his wages it's only natural for them to turn against that player.
"And I couldn't understand what was going on. I swore like any player would. I gave everything to that club and when I saw them burning my shirt with my name on it or hurling insults at me it really hurt.
"I gave everything to that club and what I love above all is to play football."
Looks like he's returning in a great frame of mind and looking for a fresh start (not)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634</a>
Carlos Tevez will resume his Manchester City career despite accusing Roberto Mancini of treating him "like a dog" in the incident that sparked their rift.
Tevez has not played for City since Mancini accused him of refusing to come on against Bayern Munich in September.
The Argentine claimed Mancini swore at him and said "horrible things" but he said on Monday: "I am ready to return, to win and do the best for the club.
"Hopefully I can help City to be champions again."
The club are expecting him to report to their Carrington training ground for fitness tests and Mancini, who initially said Tevez was "finished" at City, says he could now feature in the title run-in.
But it remains to be seen how City will respond to some of Tevez's comments in Monday's lengthy interview with Argentine broadcaster Fox Sports.
"I can imagine myself going on to the field and I'm going to have to be brilliant [to win over the critics]," he added. "It's not going to be easy for me nor the fans.
"If I was wrong, I say sorry. I sincerely believe I did not make a mistake. If it's true [Mancini would welcome me back], of course I like that, if it's for the media, no."
Recounting the circumstances that led to him remaining on the substitutes bench during City's 2-0 defeat in Munich , the 28-year-old Argentina striker heavily criticised Mancini.
"I was kind of in a bad mood and when he brings on [Nigel] de Jong and takes off [Edin] Dzeko, and we're losing 2-0, I thought it was a defensive substitution so I decided to sit back on the bench," he said.
"At the same time Dzeko comes off and is really angry and has a go at Mancini. He then sees the tunnel is closed so he has to sit down next to him and they start to have an argument.
"Dzeko was speaking Bosnian and Mancini would swear at him in Italian so it was a real mess.
"So I go and sit down and he doesn't see me because he's having this discussion. But then he turns around and sees me and you can imagine what happens.
"He's in the middle of an argument so then he tells me to keep on warming up and treats me like a dog.
"So when he spoke to me in that tone of voice, and I said 'No, I'm not going out'. So I was willing to play, but the coach was in such a foul mood because he had that argument with Dzeko.
"He started on me as well, started swearing at me, that was him, because I was very calm. Mancini said some horrible things to me."
City fined Tevez £1.2m for refusing to return from South America and they have not paid his £200,000-a-week salary since he has been there.
He was linked with moves to Inter Milan, AC Milan and Paris St Germain during the transfer window but nothing materialised.
Tevez, who is under contract until July 2014, accepts not all City fans will welcome his return but has adopted a conciliatory approach.
"I believe they were misinformed, they weren't told the facts," he said. "So that when they were told I didn't want to play they naturally turned against me.
"If a player doesn't want to play for the team that's paying his wages it's only natural for them to turn against that player.
"And I couldn't understand what was going on. I swore like any player would. I gave everything to that club and when I saw them burning my shirt with my name on it or hurling insults at me it really hurt.
"I gave everything to that club and what I love above all is to play football."
Having Tevez in the dressing room concerns me greatly. The negative effect he may have on the other players could cost us the title and as we are top with Toures and Balo coming back I don't think it's a risk we need to take.
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Dax777 said:
Tevez is a twat who's done more to destabilise the team and Club than the rest of them put together
Which player would you drop for Tevez cos whoever it is i can't see them being overjoyed at the prospect.
I would never have him back after his 3 months of petulant whining just to
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Regardless of what anyone sais in here Tevez is due back at the club no matter what he is back today that is going to happen definate certainly no matter what anyone who complains sais he is back and will be training. I personnally dont know how i feel about it im concerned because i dont want the dressing room to divide and become bad.
But Tevez on form will get goals i know what he has done thats what im concerened about but bottem line is he is back so we as fans have to deal with it and if by any chance mancini does play him when he does eventually make it into the starting line up its then down to the fans not to get negative and bring the team down
We have to support the team otherwise it could be your fault why we lose the game he plays for bringing negativity to the squad negativity from fans does not win titles
But Tevez on form will get goals i know what he has done thats what im concerened about but bottem line is he is back so we as fans have to deal with it and if by any chance mancini does play him when he does eventually make it into the starting line up its then down to the fans not to get negative and bring the team down
We have to support the team otherwise it could be your fault why we lose the game he plays for bringing negativity to the squad negativity from fans does not win titles
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Yes............
Tevez was a Twat before City bought him. And no he hasn't done much to destabilize the club. He has simply just wanted out. And I personally don't hold that against players. Considering I myself sometimes want some of them out. And the club sometimes want some players out. I see no reason why a player too can't want out. That is just the business side of football.stonerblue said:
As for who would I drop? No one. I'll simply add him to the team. We were at Everton a goal down and no attacking player on the bench able to come in and lend a hand. Tevez could have been that player.
Here is the thing: We have Dzeko, Aguero, Balo, Nasri, AJ and Tevez as our attacking options. 3 of those 6 will start games, and if we need reinforcement during a game, will have 3 more on the bench to go to. If we are already ahead. Then we go to the defensive options. That simply is just having options.
The beauty of Tevez coming back is this: He now has no leverage, no power, and little pull with anyone at the club. Mancini is under no obligation to play him. Doesn't have to stroke his ego and Tevez has no power. Meaning he is left to do whatever the coach says. Start whenever the coach says so, and be obedient or not play. He is now behind AJ on the Mancini pole.
This is a good place to have a player with that much talent. He will work hard to try to gain the fans love again. He will not rock the both (nor could he if he wanted to). He has not been a major part of this season. He is the equivalent of a player who has been out injured all season while the team prospered. No matter your status before you left, once the teams succeeds immensley in your absence, you lose power and sway.
Tevez coming back is a fantastic thing. He gives us options, and he needs the playing time, so he can be sold in the summer.<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:42 am --<br /><br />
Tevez was a Twat before City bought him. And no he hasn't done much to destabilize the club. He has simply just wanted out. And I personally don't hold that against players. Considering I myself sometimes want some of them out. And the club sometimes want some players out. I see no reason why a player too can't want out. That is just the business side of football.stonerblue said:
As for who would I drop? No one. I'll simply add him to the team. We were at Everton a goal down and no attacking player on the bench able to come in and lend a hand. Tevez could have been that player.
Here is the thing: We have Dzeko, Aguero, Balo, Nasri, AJ and Tevez as our attacking options. 3 of those 6 will start games, and if we need reinforcement during a game, will have 3 more on the bench to go to. If we are already ahead. Then we go to the defensive options. That simply is just having options.
The beauty of Tevez coming back is this: He now has no leverage, no power, and little pull with anyone at the club. Mancini is under no obligation to play him. Doesn't have to stroke his ego and Tevez has no power. Meaning he is left to do whatever the coach says. Start whenever the coach says so, and be obedient or not play. He is now behind AJ on the Mancini pole.
This is a good place to have a player with that much talent. He will work hard to try to gain the fans love again. He will not rock the both (nor could he if he wanted to). He has not been a major part of this season. He is the equivalent of a player who has been out injured all season while the team prospered. No matter your status before you left, once the teams succeeds immensley in your absence, you lose power and sway.
Tevez coming back is a fantastic thing. He gives us options, and he needs the playing time, so he can be sold in the summer.
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I said yes. Might be the difference between 1st and 2nd.
There are 2 sides to Carlos Tevez :
The footballing side , which quite frankly is absolutely world class. One of the best strikers in the world on his day , and his comes around more so than many others.
Then you have the nob head side. When he is off the pitch, he is a distraction and causes trouble and that does nobody any good.
I think people need to accept the inevitable that he will play for this club as Mancini thinks it is the way forward. There is no doubting his football ability, and he (in terms of his quality) will help the team. Obviously people will be questioning the effect he may have on the team, but if Mancini thought it would have a negative impact, he would have let him nowhere near the team.
I won't boo him, I won't clap him. He needs to earn my trust and my respect and the only way to do that is to get on with his job, and that is to score goals. We don't need him to mouth off , we don't need him to kick up a fuss , we need him to do his job with no questions asked.
Would I take Carlos Tevez the footballer back ? Any day of the week
Would I take Carlos Tevez the person back ? FUCK NO
But I trust Mancini, if Mancini thinks it will benefit us and help us achieve what we want and what we need then I will go along with it.
People will say that we have got where we are without Carlos Tevez, and that is true. But nobody can deny his footballing ability and nobody can deny that as a footballer, he could only be an asset to this team. The man is an undeniable bell end but we have got to get on with it , he will end up playing and we just need to keep supporting the team.
The footballing side , which quite frankly is absolutely world class. One of the best strikers in the world on his day , and his comes around more so than many others.
Then you have the nob head side. When he is off the pitch, he is a distraction and causes trouble and that does nobody any good.
I think people need to accept the inevitable that he will play for this club as Mancini thinks it is the way forward. There is no doubting his football ability, and he (in terms of his quality) will help the team. Obviously people will be questioning the effect he may have on the team, but if Mancini thought it would have a negative impact, he would have let him nowhere near the team.
I won't boo him, I won't clap him. He needs to earn my trust and my respect and the only way to do that is to get on with his job, and that is to score goals. We don't need him to mouth off , we don't need him to kick up a fuss , we need him to do his job with no questions asked.
Would I take Carlos Tevez the footballer back ? Any day of the week
Would I take Carlos Tevez the person back ? FUCK NO
But I trust Mancini, if Mancini thinks it will benefit us and help us achieve what we want and what we need then I will go along with it.
People will say that we have got where we are without Carlos Tevez, and that is true. But nobody can deny his footballing ability and nobody can deny that as a footballer, he could only be an asset to this team. The man is an undeniable bell end but we have got to get on with it , he will end up playing and we just need to keep supporting the team.
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yes, if he plays with as much fight as he used to, we need it at the moment, we need that spark. I think he needs to play well to sell himself.
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dont think anyone's seeing this for what it is. its not Mancini backing down, its not Tevez backing down, its the owners taking charge, getting Tevez back to the club, getting him fit, making him look to be actively part of the club and playing.
This is all part to get him playing and showcasing him in a positive way so a deal to offload him in the summer is easier. No club will want to go for a player who's not playing for a club, not keeping a level of fitness and in legal appeals with that club. A club that wants the player will be put off if that player is a public and complex battle with their current club.
so the owners have stepped in, realised they need to show a united front, look as tho as all parties and working together and salvage something that benefits all parties. Tevez wants to go. City want Tevez to go, so now City and Tevez have to work together to make that happen.
Mancini is an employee of the club, as is Tevez. Regardless if they hate each other, they have to work for the club together for the next 4/5 months, grin and bear it and hopefully it will help expedite Tevez's exit from the club.
This is all part to get him playing and showcasing him in a positive way so a deal to offload him in the summer is easier. No club will want to go for a player who's not playing for a club, not keeping a level of fitness and in legal appeals with that club. A club that wants the player will be put off if that player is a public and complex battle with their current club.
so the owners have stepped in, realised they need to show a united front, look as tho as all parties and working together and salvage something that benefits all parties. Tevez wants to go. City want Tevez to go, so now City and Tevez have to work together to make that happen.
Mancini is an employee of the club, as is Tevez. Regardless if they hate each other, they have to work for the club together for the next 4/5 months, grin and bear it and hopefully it will help expedite Tevez's exit from the club.