Yaya Toure

[Skip Donoghue]

Re: Yaya

Play Yaya in this position and he'd be a player of the year nominee

And did Pep allow Yaya to not work franticly hard? That Barca side was all about frenzy and high energy ball retention, quite similar to what we're about now.

And the major reason Barca where happy to let him go as he isn't good at it...he is to big to play the hard press game...as Pep developed the system Yaya was always left out and became more of a bit part player with Busquets preferred....

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: Yaya

Play Yaya in this position and he'd be a player of the year nominee

And did Pep allow Yaya to not work franticly hard? That Barca side was all about frenzy and high energy ball retention, quite similar to what we're about now.

And the major reason Barca where happy to let him go as he isn't good at it...he is to big to play the hard press game...as Pep developed the system Yaya was always left out and became more of a bit part player with Busquets preferred....

But they never played him in behind the strikers did they? I thought they always played him as a DM which is pretty obviously not his best position for all the reasons above. In a more attacking role he can stroll around for a while like he does now and then burst into life occassionally to devastating effect, as we saw time and time again in our title winning season.

He has simply enormous strength, good skills and incredible pace. Get him running at defenders and gaps open up all over the place for our strikers as the oppositions defence go into panic mode. Why on earth we don't play him higher up all the time is a complete mystery to me.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Yaya

And did Pep allow Yaya to not work franticly hard? That Barca side was all about frenzy and high energy ball retention, quite similar to what we're about now.

And the major reason Barca where happy to let him go as he isn't good at it...he is to big to play the hard press game...as Pep developed the system Yaya was always left out and became more of a bit part player with Busquets preferred....

But they never played him in behind the strikers did they? I thought they always played him as a DM which is pretty obviously not his best position for all the reasons above. In a more attacking role he can stroll around for a while like he does now and then burst into life occassionally to devastating effect, as we saw time and time again in our title winning season. Why on earth we don't play him higher up all the time is a complete mystery to me.

Everyone says play him higher up but his damage always comes from running deep and latching on to balls. If you play him behind the strikers you take that away from his game

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: Yaya

And the major reason Barca where happy to let him go as he isn't good at it...he is to big to play the hard press game...as Pep developed the system Yaya was always left out and became more of a bit part player with Busquets preferred....

But they never played him in behind the strikers did they? I thought they always played him as a DM which is pretty obviously not his best position for all the reasons above. In a more attacking role he can stroll around for a while like he does now and then burst into life occassionally to devastating effect, as we saw time and time again in our title winning season. Why on earth we don't play him higher up all the time is a complete mystery to me.

Everyone says play him higher up but his damage always comes from running deep and latching on to balls. If you play him behind the strikers you take that away from his game

I kindof get that, but why then have him sit and play Fernandino higher up? And even when we do give Yaya license to bomb forward, he hardly ever does it, so it becomes a weapon we never use. I'd rather play him higher up and leave him there, where he would be 90% effective in 90% of games instead of 100% effective in 10% of games.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Yaya

But they never played him in behind the strikers did they? I thought they always played him as a DM which is pretty obviously not his best position for all the reasons above. In a more attacking role he can stroll around for a while like he does now and then burst into life occassionally to devastating effect, as we saw time and time again in our title winning season. Why on earth we don't play him higher up all the time is a complete mystery to me.

Everyone says play him higher up but his damage always comes from running deep and latching on to balls. If you play him behind the strikers you take that away from his game

I kindof get that, but why then have him sit and play Fernandino higher up? And even when we do give Yaya license to bomb forward, he hardly ever does it, so it becomes a weapon we never use. I'd rather play him higher up and leave him there, where he would be 90% effective in 90% of games instead of 100% effective in 10% of games.

Im not sure he is that kind of player or has the attacking intelligence to make himself useful enough up there. He should be given more freedom to go forwards but the last time he had that freedom we had De Jong and Barry behind him and only played 1 up top. Whilst it was a successful season we were sometimes too blunt in attack and it made Mancini change the formation and tactics. He is a more useful Plan B than a straightforward choice from the start

 

[mat]

Not captain material. Sets a lazy example.

This.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: Yaya

Everyone says play him higher up but his damage always comes from running deep and latching on to balls. If you play him behind the strikers you take that away from his game

I kindof get that, but why then have him sit and play Fernandino higher up? And even when we do give Yaya license to bomb forward, he hardly ever does it, so it becomes a weapon we never use. I'd rather play him higher up and leave him there, where he would be 90% effective in 90% of games instead of 100% effective in 10% of games.

Im not sure he is that kind of player or has the attacking intelligence to make himself useful enough up there. He should be given more freedom to go forwards but the last time he had that freedom we had De Jong and Barry behind him and only played 1 up top. Whilst it was a successful season we were sometimes too blunt in attack and it made Mancini change the formation and tactics. He is a more useful Plan B than a straightforward choice from the start

Not sure I agree mate. It comes down to this for me: Whenever Yaya goes forward, he looks dangerous and often good things come of it. If we have to play 2 DM's behind him, then that's what we should do imho. I'd trade our "blunt in attack" title-winning style for what I have seen more recently any day of the week.

In most games that season we tore the opposition to pieces. Yes, struggled against parked-bus sides but we can use tactics to fix that as and when it happens. Why don't we go back to what we know works for the other games? (NDJ was a big loss imho though.)

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Yaya

I kindof get that, but why then have him sit and play Fernandino higher up? And even when we do give Yaya license to bomb forward, he hardly ever does it, so it becomes a weapon we never use. I'd rather play him higher up and leave him there, where he would be 90% effective in 90% of games instead of 100% effective in 10% of games.

Im not sure he is that kind of player or has the attacking intelligence to make himself useful enough up there. He should be given more freedom to go forwards but the last time he had that freedom we had De Jong and Barry behind him and only played 1 up top. Whilst it was a successful season we were sometimes too blunt in attack and it made Mancini change the formation and tactics. He is a more useful Plan B than a straightforward choice from the start

Not sure I agree mate. It comes down to this for me: Whenever Yaya goes forward, he looks dangerous and often good things come of it. If we have to play 2 DM's behind him, then that's what we should do imho. I'd trade our "blunt in attack" title-winning style for what I have seen more recently any day of the week.

In most games that season we tore the opposition to pieces. Yes, struggled against parked-bus sides but we can use tactics to fix that as and when it happens. Why don't we go back to what we know works for the other games? (NDJ was a big loss imho though.)

Our blunt in attack style was the FA Cup season the free for all title winning season was when we held Yaya back with Barry while everyone else bombed forward and NDJ played a bit part. We employed the same tactics last season but unfortunately teams had got used to us not really playing expansive football and become compact in defence to negate us. Even a Yaya forward run was making no inroads

 

[supercity88]

Yaya is such a brilliant player, his pace and strength on the ball and technical ability make him almost unplayable at times. But those times seem less and less frequent. Against Hull he kept it simple and wasn't particularly effective, he has the engine to be a box to box midfielder as long as he picks the right times to stride forward but whether he has instruction to refrain from doing so or is just being lazy remains to be seen. On Saturday Aguero came deeper to pick up the ball but was marked very effectively and didn't make much impact. We are still trying to find the perfect combination of players and normally at home we find enough space to play two strikers. Hull played very well and it was difficult to break them down. Having the extra man in the midfield like Rodwell or Yaya, and having them break forward from deep would have addressed the issue. I don't know whether Yaya is tactically playing a bit more defense minded or what it is, but he should be given more license to break forward. His shooting ability and pace and strength make him an excellent asset when doing so, but it seems to be only the big games where he bothers to.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Re: Yaya

Play Yaya in this position and he'd be a player of the year nominee

I've said that going on two years now. He is not utilised well at all, when he has to sit in the middle.

Just give him the license to roam and rampage the top half of the pitch and we are sorted.