yaya.....

Ban-jani said:
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
bobmcfc said:
YouWhaaaaaat

Duff, Hilary duff (:

Keep it up bobooshki, the 'giving up' in October didn't suit you, this 2014 version is almost as appealing as Ruth jones!!!!

your flirting is pathetic.

So I've heard, that's why I rely on my big house and nice car to pull, my chat really is poor, but alas one can learn from trend setters like yourself........

Oh before I forget,........ Sorry it went
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Ban-jani said:
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Duff, Hilary duff (:

Keep it up bobooshki, the 'giving up' in October didn't suit you, this 2014 version is almost as appealing as Ruth jones!!!!

your flirting is pathetic.

So I've heard, that's why I rely on my big house and nice car to pull, my chat really is poor, but alas one can learn from trend setters like yourself........

Oh before I forget,........ Sorry it went

My car is well nicer
 
Probably the best Box-to-box midfielder in the world right now - but NOT a DM so doesn't suit playing next to Fern in a 2 man defensive midfield. As Dietmar said - against good passing teams he struggles.
That is because Pellegrini's defensive schemes leave NO room for error. One mistake and a player is running through to goal in a 1 on 1 situation with our keeper.

When playing good passing teams, move him up the pitch as the 3rd central midfielder (box-to-box) away from home or as an AM at home.

As things stand, against Barca:
- If he plays as a DM we will probably lose.
- If he plays further up the pitch we will probably win.
 
big blueballs said:
At the end of the day the positives Yaya brings to the side far outweigh the negatives he may have in his game
ya ya to that my friend
 
big blueballs said:
At the end of the day the positives Yaya brings to the side far outweigh the negatives he may have in his game

Don't disagree, but I thought the debate was about whether those negatives matter. They do, as witnessed by games against lower teams where he sometimes doesn't show up. That's not the same as having a bad game. It goes to work ethic and die-hard motivation.
 
Needs to be rotated I reckon. Looks lethargic than ever and some of his movements look forceful. Unfortunately, apart from Gaz Baz or Kompany, I dont see anyone else fit for that position.
 
bobmcfc said:
KippaxCitizen said:
bobmcfc said:
Jesus friggin Christ !

So it's now a problem then ? Why can't you be happy with him steamrolling defences and scoring important goals ? You notice more now because we are shipping a few because It's how we are set up to play, we attack !! I think you lot need to accept the way he plays ! This is yayas game and you won't change it. Accept it and stop whinging as it's how he's been since the first kick of a ball in an mcfc shirt.


Spoiled or what
Very silly post. There's nowt spoilt about owt in commenting on this. There's a lot of this sort of post in this forum. It's like people cannot talk openly about players or the manager or the club. They have to be positive only and not have any sort of balanced views on anything according to some.

You know it is possible to be as happy as Larry with Yaya and love him forevermore for things like the FA Cup semi and final in 2011, the performance against United in the Kompany 1-0 game and the goals at Newcastle in 2012, and be really pleased with his passing stats and goals this season...but at the same time we can see and feel open enough to comment that in a two man midfield Yaya is neither mobile enough nor works hard enough and it can have a negative effect on us. It's a good talking point.

It's happening, many can see it, it's worth commenting on, it's a good talking point; but at the same time I'm chuffed to bits with his attacking contribution and hope it continues. Don't want him dropping but I think Pellegrini needs to adapt something within our team tactically to make this defensive issue better.

Theres a very fine line between winning the title and not.

There is a very fine line also when asking players to suddenly adapt to roles they are unfamiliar with. I have already stated that this is how Yaya has played for us since day one and it only seems to be a problem now that we are playing a much more attacking style. Would you prefer he adapts a less adventurous role and and score less valuable and important goals and stick to a more defensive role

No, quite the opposite. As I said in an earlier post, it should be about getting the best out of our players and playing to our (their) strengths. If Yaya is not so great in a defensive role especially in 4-4-2 away from home, then why don't we recognise that and stop asking him to do it. Push him forward, play 4-5-1 and get someone else to do the defensive work. Surely???

Yaya is utterly brilliant at what he does best and having him marauding around the penalty area, our opponents would be drawn to him like bees around honey, leaving gaps all over the place for Kun/Beast/Dzeko. Not to mention his free kicks, killer passes or storming runs into the box. Just keep him high up the pitch and leave Fern/Rodwell or Fern/Garcia to do the cleaning up. It's not rocket science.

For umpteen games under Mancini we started with Yaya playing deep and then made changes, taking off a striker, pushing Yaya forward and bringing on a DM. As far as I can remember, this ALWAYS made us play better. Like it did against Swansea on Wednesday, btw.

There was some debate about this a year or two back and someone (Didsbury Dave perhaps, I can't recall) made the comment that Yaya is at his most destructive best when breaking from deep. I can see that. But if that comes at the expense of defensive holes and leaked goals, I'd rather we just "settled" for him playing in the hole and ripping opponents to bits from there.
 
lasereyes said:
big blueballs said:
At the end of the day the positives Yaya brings to the side far outweigh the negatives he may have in his game

Don't disagree, but I thought the debate was about whether those negatives matter. They do, as witnessed by games against lower teams where he sometimes doesn't show up. That's not the same as having a bad game. It goes to work ethic and die-hard motivation.


this "where he sometimes doesn't show up" against the lesser team bollocks is indeed just bollocks
 
I've said it myself many times - Yaya is a great player but without doubt if you play against a mobile midfield with some quality then you take the chance of getting overun with Yaya and another in a centre midfield 2.

There are many examples Bayern at home being the most obvious.

It doesn't help that we are also a bit weak defensively on the left of midfield s ferdinand gets pulled everywhere
 
onceabluealways said:
I've said it myself many times - Yaya is a great player but without doubt if you play against a mobile midfield with some quality then you take the chance of getting overun with Yaya and another in a centre midfield 2.

There are many examples Bayern at home being the most obvious.

It doesn't help that we are also a bit weak defensively on the left of midfield s ferdinand gets pulled everywhere
Any team in the world would have got over run by Bayern with only 2 in midfield . Pelle hung yaya and Fernandinho out to dry that night .
 
Chippy_boy said:
bobmcfc said:
KippaxCitizen said:
Very silly post. There's nowt spoilt about owt in commenting on this. There's a lot of this sort of post in this forum. It's like people cannot talk openly about players or the manager or the club. They have to be positive only and not have any sort of balanced views on anything according to some.

You know it is possible to be as happy as Larry with Yaya and love him forevermore for things like the FA Cup semi and final in 2011, the performance against United in the Kompany 1-0 game and the goals at Newcastle in 2012, and be really pleased with his passing stats and goals this season...but at the same time we can see and feel open enough to comment that in a two man midfield Yaya is neither mobile enough nor works hard enough and it can have a negative effect on us. It's a good talking point.

It's happening, many can see it, it's worth commenting on, it's a good talking point; but at the same time I'm chuffed to bits with his attacking contribution and hope it continues. Don't want him dropping but I think Pellegrini needs to adapt something within our team tactically to make this defensive issue better.

Theres a very fine line between winning the title and not.

There is a very fine line also when asking players to suddenly adapt to roles they are unfamiliar with. I have already stated that this is how Yaya has played for us since day one and it only seems to be a problem now that we are playing a much more attacking style. Would you prefer he adapts a less adventurous role and and score less valuable and important goals and stick to a more defensive role

No, quite the opposite. As I said in an earlier post, it should be about getting the best out of our players and playing to our (their) strengths. If Yaya is not so great in a defensive role especially in 4-4-2 away from home, then why don't we recognise that and stop asking him to do it. Push him forward, play 4-5-1 and get someone else to do the defensive work. Surely???

Yaya is utterly brilliant at what he does best and having him marauding around the penalty area, our opponents would be drawn to him like bees around honey, leaving gaps all over the place for Kun/Beast/Dzeko. Not to mention his free kicks, killer passes or storming runs into the box. Just keep him high up the pitch and leave Fern/Rodwell or Fern/Garcia to do the cleaning up. It's not rocket science.

For umpteen games under Mancini we started with Yaya playing deep and then made changes, taking off a striker, pushing Yaya forward and bringing on a DM. As far as I can remember, this ALWAYS made us play better. Like it did against Swansea on Wednesday, btw.

There was some debate about this a year or two back and someone (Didsbury Dave perhaps, I can't recall) made the comment that Yaya is at his most destructive best when breaking from deep. I can see that. But if that comes at the expense of defensive holes and leaked goals, I'd rather we just "settled" for him playing in the hole and ripping opponents to bits from there.

This is absolutely spot on. Whilst everyone loves Ya Ya and he is one of my all time favourite blues and a total legend for everything he has done, there is this ongoing problem which is a combination of him being a bit weak in his defensive duties combined with Manuel's ( surprising ) lack of any attempt to fix this minor problem. In most games we can get away with it by scoring more goals, Silva, Nasri, etc to fill in a bit more in central areas, etc, especially at home games. But in certain away games we do run the risk of getting caught and ultimately risk losing because of the lack of numbers in centre mid. This is where 451 or even 352 where we can risk 'losing' a defender, will be necessary and where we need Garcia/Milner/Rodwell to step in for these games. In away games at Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool we will need to be more disciplined one way or another. I thought we were superb at Chelsea, very unlucky to lose to a late goal caused by a mistake. In that game we were under pressure early on but with great discipline came back strongly, equalised and looked the likely winners. We had three in midfield in that game and Pellegrini made the mistake of taking garcia off who was having an excellent game. Within five minutes we were undone by a lucky punt that came about because we lost our midfield discipline, but overall it was an excellent performance.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
bobmcfc said:
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I almost shot my Hilary over that post bobski

Be careful, you'll have people thinking you're a dyke next (:


YouWhaaaaaat

Duff, Hilary duff (:

Keep it up bobooshki, the 'giving up' in October didn't suit you, this 2014 version is almost as appealing as Ruth jones!!!!

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can't believe some of the stuff i read about yaya

the fact is, more than any other player we have, take him out of our team and picture him in a chelsea, arsenal or even liverpool kit

they become title favourites
 
City Raider said:
can't believe some of the stuff i read about yaya

the fact is, more than any other player we have, take him out of our team and picture him in a chelsea, arsenal or even liverpool kit

they become title favourites

That's possibly true but it doesn't mean that he can't improve in any way and particularly in the areas people have pointed out. The most obviously recurring of which are the times when he's already made it back into the area of play and is just taking up space rather than participating.

In my opinion, if Yaya improved this area of his game he'd be only be increasing his already well deserved reputation as one of the World's most effective midfielders.

It seems this is said time and time again on here (one of the reasons I don't post so much) that any well intended, well articulated point is taken as if people are saying 'he's shit' and 'I don't appreciate his (often many) good points'. If there's no debate to be had without getting called an imbecile then there's no point in participating in threads.
 
Goatfacekillah said:
City Raider said:
can't believe some of the stuff i read about yaya

the fact is, more than any other player we have, take him out of our team and picture him in a chelsea, arsenal or even liverpool kit

they become title favourites

That's possibly true but it doesn't mean that he can't improve in any way and particularly in the areas people have pointed out. The most obviously recurring of which are the times when he's already made it back into the area of play and is just taking up space rather than participating.

In my opinion, if Yaya improved this area of his game he'd be only be increasing his already well deserved reputation as one of the World's most effective midfielders.

It seems this is said time and time again on here (one of the reasons I don't post so much) that any well intended, well articulated point is taken as if people are saying 'he's shit' and 'I don't appreciate his (often many) good points'. If there's no debate to be had without getting called an imbecile then there's no point in participating in threads.

of course there should be discussion but well intended and articulated doesn't make an argument any more or less valid

every player we have has room for improvement, some just seem to be targets more than others

yaya's strengths and weaknesses are there for all to see, are they likely to change or is it more the responsibility of the manager to account for them when setting up the team
 
onceabluealways said:
I've said it myself many times - Yaya is a great player but without doubt if you play against a mobile midfield with some quality then you take the chance of getting overun with Yaya and another in a centre midfield 2.

There are many examples Bayern at home being the most obvious.

It doesn't help that we are also a bit weak defensively on the left of midfield s ferdinand gets pulled everywhere

Bang on, although Pellergrini has to take some of the blame for attempting to play Bayern with 2 strikers - but its true Yaya lacks a lot defensively, on the flip side he is one of the worlds best attacking midfielders. Still think another quality CM with Fernandihno and Yaya playing further forward would work great but Pellers really likes playing the 2 strikers ....
 
sorry to interrupt the important disussion but look at what yayas acheived so far this footballing season
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-cIb9YgOIo[/youtube]
 
Aguero_Element said:
sorry to interrupt the important disussion but look at what yayas acheived so far this footballing season
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-cIb9YgOIo[/youtube]

Great player but needs to work on his free kicks.
 

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