The Boxing thread

leighton said:
I just think Aj has been extremely lucky all his fights has been in the UK. It literally shocked me the Klitschko fight was in the UK and I do wonder what would of happen if it was say in Germany would AJ of recovered from the knock down or would he of went into his shell fighting away from home??? We will never know but without the backing of the fans in that fight it lifted him to go and KO Kiltschko and fair fucks to him.

I am more than happy to see bigger shows around the UK and Hearn has done wonders for that and getting his fighters stadium fights. When you look at it AJ had a few , Froch too , Kell Brook and even Luke Campbell have all had big fights in stadiums to name a few and thats great from Hearn to do that. Saying all that deep down any fighter to lace those gloves up would love to be able to fight on a big Vegas card or a big American card and to headline Vegas for most fighters it must feel like they have made it in boxing.

Just trying to think who was the last fighter UK / Ireland fighter to headline in Vegas?? I think it was Carl Frampton in Vegas against Santa Cruz but its kind of a bit sad to see not too many of the UK fighters getting over there and making a impact in the big fights. I think James DeGale is doing great if he can stay injury free he could get big fights out there was always a critic of James but he has come on great since moving to the US. I only wish more would go over instead of staying at home. I think the elite can do it both say 2 fights a year 1 in the UK and 1 out in the US. I think AJ marketed right in the US would be bigger than Lennox Lewis and thats why Hearn is starting out in the US. Makes more sense for Hearn to have AJ V Wilder on 1 of his American Cards early next year. The undercard writes itself have DeGale on the undercard in his return fight. Also get Kel Brook on over there too as the 3 big fights to kick start 2018 over there.
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I agree with most of that actually.

Also I know it's unpopular to like Eddie Hearn but I'm starting to like him, as far as I can see he's taken matchroom to a new level and now he's signing USA(Jacobs) and Russian(I'm assuming he's signed Bivol who looks very dangerous) fighters something I don't recall seeing from UK promoters before, not sure if UK fight fans will get behind them for UK shows though is my only concern. Maybe the plan isn't to have them fight in the UK but selfishly I would love the UK to become a place where the top non-uk fighters want to put on big fights, something to tick off for their legacy like Vegas is for most fighters.

I'm looking forward to the Matchroom USA bill later tonight, I really rate Jacobs and thought he was hard done by in the Golovkin fight, I've not watched much of baby Miller(probably wrote him off because he never looks in shape) but it's a big chance for him to impress in his home City/State and he's making the right sounds.
 
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Tough fight for Taylor v Vazquez a former world champion, however Josh did look good last time out. I expect beefy to beat Williams but hope im wrong, hope it's as good as the first fight.
Regarding AJ and Wilder, i fancy a Joshua win late on.
 
leighton said:
I like Wilder aka Bomb Squad I honestly think the heavyweight division is shocking. There the 2 best out there. Wilder will be the 1 who can KO Joshua his chin is questionable and you can say that about every heavyweight. Even when AJ boxed Dillian Whyte he was caught a few times by Whyte and rocked by him. Then the Vitali Klitschko fight the knock down was a heavy 1 and I think Wilder will look at that and think I can KO him. Granted Wilder we have yet to see his chin tested will AJ be the guy to test it I hope so. I just got the feeling AJ goes in favourite and Wilder wins by KO.
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Joshua will walk through wilder, in fact it's a complete mismatch, not only in weight, punch power but also styles. Wilders defence is seriously lacking, it has nothing to do with his punching style either, it's his footwork and how he loads up, any heavyweight worth his salt will put him on his arse, hence he's avoiding whyte like the plague....

Don't buy the hype, it's exactly like the self promotion McGregor put out there, the reality is very different though.....

AJ is unfortunate that the standard in the division is so poor, it also doesn't look like changing anytime soon either, however he's head and shoulders above the best ranked, make of that what you will!!!
 
Metalartin said:
I agree with most of that actually.

Also I know it's unpopular to like Eddie Hearn but I'm starting to like him, as far as I can see he's taken matchroom to a new level and now he's signing USA(Jacobs) and Russian(I'm assuming he's signed Bivol who looks very dangerous) fighters something I don't recall seeing from UK promoters before, not sure if UK fight fans will get behind them for UK shows though is my only concern. Maybe the plan isn't to have them fight in the UK but selfishly I would love the UK to become a place where the top non-uk fighters want to put on big fights, something to tick off for their legacy like Vegas is for most fighters.

I'm looking forward to the Matchroom USA bill later tonight, I really rate Jacobs and thought he was hard done by in the Golovkin fight, I've not watched much of baby Miller(probably wrote him off because he never looks in shape) but it's a big chance for him to impress in his home City/State and he's making the right sounds.
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Yeah i like the looks of the card it could be a good 1 tonight. Also marketing Conor Benn over there and getting him on a few cards out there may well be a brilliant move by the Hearns. Good for him to test himself against the Americans / South Americans over there. I just hope that it works out well for the kid Conor Benn. I like how Nigel is staying away from the limelight and letting Conor learn from the trainers.
Also if Hearn has linked up with Bivol its a great move by him. That guy looks class could be another GGG for me but its a early stage for him and he is going to have harder tests in the future and I honestly think he has the talent to go far. With the right team behind him.

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Joshua will walk through wilder, in fact it's a complete mismatch, not only in weight, punch power but also styles. Wilders defence is seriously lacking, it has nothing to do with his punching style either, it's his footwork and how he loads up, any heavyweight worth his salt will put him on his arse, hence he's avoiding whyte like the plague....

Don't buy the hype, it's exactly like the self promotion McGregor put out there, the reality is very different though.....

AJ is unfortunate that the standard in the division is so poor, it also doesn't look like changing anytime soon either, however he's head and shoulders above the best ranked, make of that what you will!!!
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I like Dillian Whyte not a bad fighter but as Wilder has said he is a gatekeeper but saying that even a gatekeeper could well end up as a World Champion. Think Dillian if he fights Parker Dillian Whyte will be a World Champion. Parker is the weakest champion out there for me. I hope that they get Parker v Whyte on and have that as a undercard fight with the winner of Wilder v Joshua with the winners fighting each other.

Also if you think Joshua will walk through Wilder and is a mismatch I find it a bit crazy in a way that both guys can bang and both guys have that punchers chance. Yeah AJ is maybe better technically but Wilder has the technical side too if he didnt he wouldnt of won a Bronze medal at the Olympics so I just think with Wilder he is wild and brash more so just to get the fighters out of the ring as soon as he can. And yes it looks terrible but its working for him.

Granted we both agree the division is gone to the dogs. When you can say Tyson Fury was a World Champion in the division it just shows how bad the division has got over the years which is sad to say.
 
Wilder's a clever boxer. It's just he's better at knocking you straight out.

He should definitely be going for Parker first. Money talks.
 
leighton said:
Granted we both agree the division is gone to the dogs. When you can say Tyson Fury was a World Champion in the division it just shows how bad the division has got over the years which is sad to say.
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I think Tyson Fury is overrated too but that's a bit harsh... personally I feel Fury is the Peter Crouch of boxing he doesn't look like a boxer in his build but it somehow works for him. He's not what you'd call a tidy fighter either(he looks clumsy to me) in his style but his best asset is he's awkward and unpredictable, along with his handspeed for such a unit of a man, he's quite unique really normally someone that tall and heavy would be slow and less mobile. I still think the Wlad fight was his peak though, it's not like he sustained that level for long and he doesn't live the clean life so I doubt he will get back there again which is a shame as he could have been in some interesting matchups... as it is his fans will be left saying "the old Fury would have done this or that" after a disappointing return for the money.
 
Miller looked ok but I'm not sure he's at the level to challenge for a title yet. Jacobs looked really good though, perhaps tried too hard for the knockout at times and should have just settled for the the points win earlier, put on more of a clinic but I suppose it's to be admired that he wants to please the fans so hard.
 
mccity said:
Wilder's a clever boxer. It's just he's better at knocking you straight out.

He should definitely be going for Parker first. Money talks.
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He's far from 'a clever boxer', in fact his guard tells you all you need to know about his intellect... he's actually never made over $5m dollars for a fight, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world no less.. there's a reason he should fight Joshua first, and why he's avoiding people like Whyte, anything other and his skills are exposed, thus marketing for the 'big pay' takes a hit... take a look at his record and the gulf in class before you proclaim him the knock out king!!
 
Metalartin said:
I think Tyson Fury is overrated too but that's a bit harsh... personally I feel Fury is the Peter Crouch of boxing he doesn't look like a boxer in his build but it somehow works for him. He's not what you'd call a tidy fighter either(he looks clumsy to me) in his style but his best asset is he's awkward and unpredictable, along with his handspeed for such a unit of a man, he's quite unique really normally someone that tall and heavy would be slow and less mobile. I still think the Wlad fight was his peak though, it's not like he sustained that level for long and he doesn't live the clean life so I doubt he will get back there again which is a shame as he could have been in some interesting matchups... as it is his fans will be left saying "the old Fury would have done this or that" after a disappointing return for the money.
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I think every fan will say that about there fighter they followed after a long time out of the ring. I just think you look at him as you said tall and awkward but then you look at AJ and say wow hes tall and skillful and has a lot going for him. Fury will always try to be the bully but the thing is it gets harder to bully the bigger guys. I know that they will be trying to get a pay day out of him fighting again but for Fury I just hope it ends in a good way. I dont know if he still has the heart and desire to go on and win that world title again.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
He's far from 'a clever boxer', in fact his guard tells you all you need to know about his intellect... he's actually never made over $5m dollars for a fight, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world no less.. there's a reason he should fight Joshua first, and why he's avoiding people like Whyte, anything other and his skills are exposed, thus marketing for the 'big pay' takes a hit... take a look at his record and the gulf in class before you proclaim him the knock out king!!
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Why the fuck would Dillian Whyte be avoided by Wilder? Bang average and only has any name of any relevance because of the AJ fight and he managed to land a good shot to wobble him. I have never been impressed with him, he went life and death with a washed up Chisora and that Helenius fight a couple of weeks back was just dire, utter dross to watch. I find it impossible to believe that Wilder is avoiding Dillian Whyte I'm sorry. Not having it. He could fight the top 10 ranked heavies in the world and his record wouldn't look much more impressive than it does at present because the division is terd. Only a handful of useful fighters at the weight.
 
goatfeeder100 said:
Why the fuck would Dillian Whyte be avoided by Wilder? Bang average and only has any name of any relevance because of the AJ fight and he managed to land a good shot to wobble him. I have never been impressed with him, he went life and death with a washed up Chisora and that Helenius fight a couple of weeks back was just dire, utter dross to watch. I find it impossible to believe that Wilder is avoiding Dillian Whyte I'm sorry. Not having it. He could fight the top 10 ranked heavies in the world and his record wouldn't look much more impressive than it does at present because the division is terd. Only a handful of useful fighters at the weight.
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I don't give a fuck if you're having it or not, Hearn and Whyte on record as offering Wilder his biggest ever payday ($7m), which was turned down flat.. wilder is being protected, as the WBC loves to do, with journeymen in the rankings, all gearing up for the Joshua bout... the point that was lost on you is that Whyte is most certainly a step up on the bums Wilder has been sparking out, too high risk when he is negotiating +$25m purses for Joshua....boxing is dictated to by purses, always has been, always will be, it's seems that has been lost on you....

A little perspective, he made $1.5m for his last fight....
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I don't give a fuck if you're having it or not, Hearn and Whyte on record as offering Wilder his biggest ever payday ($7m), which was turned down flat.. wilder is being protected, as the WBC loves to do, with journeymen in the rankings, all gearing up for the Joshua bout... the point that was lost on you is that Whyte is most certainly a step up on the bums Wilder has been sparking out, too high risk when he is negotiating +$25m purses for Joshua....boxing is dictated to by purses, always has been, always will be, it's seems that has been lost on you....

A little perspective, he made $1.5m for his last fight....
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I can see where Wilder is coming from. What he has said in the past about Whyte and the whole situation is true he wants AJ. I think he would of boxed Whyte if AJ was part of the deal which he has stated to Hearn in the past. He would only fight Whyte if AJ was next after him. Being honest the fight should be getting made. I am happy the WBC aint standing in the way for this fight to happen. So the belts will both be on the line if they can sort this out. You never know they might even get the ring title out as well for the AJ v Wilder fight. I just think there will be more and more big fights being made now more so than in the past. Promotors are working together and getting the big fights on.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I don't give a fuck if you're having it or not, Hearn and Whyte on record as offering Wilder his biggest ever payday ($7m), which was turned down flat.. wilder is being protected, as the WBC loves to do, with journeymen in the rankings, all gearing up for the Joshua bout... the point that was lost on you is that Whyte is most certainly a step up on the bums Wilder has been sparking out, too high risk when he is negotiating +$25m purses for Joshua....boxing is dictated to by purses, always has been, always will be, it's seems that has been lost on you....

A little perspective, he made $1.5m for his last fight....
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None of that is 'lost on me' pal. I don't doubt that there is a degree of protection going on with Wilder until they can get the AJ fight, I'm completely aware that has gone on for years in many different forms across boxing's history. However what is lost on me is how and why Dillian Whyte is a step up from the 'bums' that have padded Wilder's record so far, and why Dillian Whyte is being held up as the symbol of how Wilder is being protected. I say it again, other than a lucky big left swing against AJ, Dillian Whyte is bang average and has a string of uninspiring performances against mediocre opposition on his record, especially recently. So why is he the big 'low reward high risk' fight? He's not even that big a puncher at the weight, otherwise as an example he should have been able to wipe out Helenius whenever he wanted to given that bloke was a sitting duck for the whole fight bar the first couple of rounds. Tell me where Dillian Whyte has shown himself to be a step up when he himself hasn't made any kind of decent step up since he fought Joshua when they were both at British level. It hasn't happened.
 
goatfeeder100 said:
None of that is 'lost on me' pal. I don't doubt that there is a degree of protection going on with Wilder until they can get the AJ fight, I'm completely aware that has gone on for years in many different forms across boxing's history. However what is lost on me is how and why Dillian Whyte is a step up from the 'bums' that have padded Wilder's record so far, and why Dillian Whyte is being held up as the symbol of how Wilder is being protected. I say it again, other than a lucky big left swing against AJ, Dillian Whyte is bang average and has a string of uninspiring performances against mediocre opposition on his record, especially recently. So why is he the big 'low reward high risk' fight? He's not even that big a puncher at the weight, otherwise as an example he should have been able to wipe out Helenius whenever he wanted to given that bloke was a sitting duck for the whole fight bar the first couple of rounds. Tell me where Dillian Whyte has shown himself to be a step up when he himself hasn't made any kind of decent step up since he fought Joshua when they were both at British level. It hasn't happened.
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Tell me in what regard Whyte has been put on a pedestal.... I'm glad you can acknowledge the monetary value now, however you still aren't grasping who controls those paydays. We could be talking about joe bugner, Gary mason, Michael bent or even joe bloggs, Hearn and matchroom control the market in the division, it is them who have rejuvenated the heavyweight division, regardless of quality, and it is them who can inject the cash flow.... Hearn took a sly dig at Wilder at the weekend by posting videos of him in and around New York, basically reinforcing that a majority of the American public don't have a scooby who Wilder is, swap that with AJ over here and not even the most ardent of boxing fans have bought in to the guy...

Don't concentrate on Whyte but on how Hearn could market the fight, ffs they did a million ppv for AJ's last fight alone...

Trust me, I know Whytes shortcomings, however he's contributing to the pantomime that is matchroom, next up that all time classic 'bellew v Haye 2' (rumours it's off)..
 
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