Suggest Dennis reads the actual law. All it states is shoulder. I believe the bit he is quoting is from some advice handed out to refs as a guidline about 5 years ago which they have since reversed. Also the Balo goal V Norwich should have been disallowed in law, not that I am complainingWrong according to below... above arm pit is not hand ball. See balo v Norwich for shoulder goal.
Answer provided by Referee Dennis Wickham
The 'hand' includes fingertips, upper arm, and the outer part of the shoulder. It does not include the top of the shoulder.
Wasn’t aware of the ball touches bit. I can think of a few pundits in need of that linkNo, it’s at the point the player touches the ball:
“At the moment the ball touches or is played by his team mate”
https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf
Or we can all just believe they’ve not got a clue and/or it’s some conspiracy in aid of United and Liverpool and we (and the multi billion pound industry) are all being lied to.Until such a time the exact system used is revealed to all and the way it is calibrated and its accuracy, you like the rest of us here are guessing and the question will remain no matter how much you think you know and that is, "how accurate is it"?
Same with most laws in football. I had this argument in Dunes last night with Andy.Wasn’t aware of the ball touches bit. I can think of a few pundits in need of that link
He must have given 2 interviews then because in the one I saw he said he accepted the decision but didn't like the way the flow of the game was interrupted.
I think that the issue of the a 2 minute delay is what bothers most fans. It reduces your connection to the game. You have to emotionally detach yourself from goals when they go in, and wait.
There are issues such as scope for manipulation and the precision with which they can make an offside call. I think they should change the offside rule because I don't believe they can do what they claim, i.e. measure absolutely whether a player is offside or not. With all the variables involved there could be a significant error.
We're guessing. The fact we're guessing suggests that the process isn't so good, otherise they'd be open about how it operates.
I suspect if they let the cameras in to see what they do, people will realise it's fallibilities and it will get thrown out. This is making me suspicious that it's not all its cracked up to be. if it works, and you can reliable reproduce all the weekend's calls again and again and again, then show it to the public, and more people will accept it, but the fact they haven't makes me wonder whether it's reliable
Or we can all just believe they’ve not got a clue and/or it’s some conspiracy in aid of United and Liverpool and we (and the multi billion pound industry) are all being lied to.
A few VAR refs as well judging by yesterday's decisions!Wasn’t aware of the ball touches bit. I can think of a few pundits in need of that link
And yet another bit of casual agesim based on your opinion and not fact.It won't probably sit well with lot of people, but regular match goers are overestimating their worth in the big scheme of things. Yes, football is not football (or sport generally) without live spectators, but for sport, the live spectators are small part of income and they would always be around as much as speople are threatening to quit, so the powers are going to make it better for general public and yes, that's mostly tv watchers as that's where the money lies. We're far, far away from times when fans in the stands were most important thing to football clubs. They are just a small, additional income now.
Americanization of sport is non-avoidable, we can already see it in stats department. Only a few years ago, stats were almost nothing in football in Europe and right now there is pretty much same obsession with stats in football as there is in U.S. sports for decades.
There was situation in 6th game of NBA final this year, less than minute before end, score equal or 2-3 points for someone, had the ball touched the table or not, extremely important point, if Toronto wins that game they are champions.. it was almost impossible to be sure watching slow motions, refs were watching their VAR for 5 minutes before decision. Nobody gave a fuck about the decision after it, just moved on as they are used on that. Fans continued to be loud and mental and they will be next year too.
Absolutely same thing will happen with football. In 5 years, everybody will get used with VAR and move on. I am fairly sure the big majority of fans going mental about var, tradition, emotion and stuff like that, are older fans and it's pretty normal and usual that they moan most when new technologies are around. People have natural tendencies to think it was better before, whatever it is. Specially if that aligns with them being better and younger before. I know people here in Bosnia moaning about good times in ex Yugoslavia, despite every member of family driving a car now and back then we had 2 cars in whole neigborhood. But their Willy was jumping more back then and they feel the bread and water was better then than meat today.
Snowflake.And yet another bit of casual agesim based on your opinion and not fact.
historically, we have seen really inaccurate calls, the law on off-side requiring linos to be seeing two events simultaneously, the moment the ball is struck and the relative position of attacker/defender. The two events can be 50 yds apart, the defender can be moving one way, the attacker moving the other. More often than not, it's simple, but more and more, it's down to guesswork, due to the nature of the modern game. VAR will reduce the number of absolute "howlers", in a way that is not possible without it. If it reduces/curtails the mayhem at corners/free-kicks as well that's a bonus. The players knowing "big brother" is watching will reduce the grabbing and grappling that they get away with at the moment (not immediately, but they will get the message).
Football is all about emotion,take that away and you might as well watch cricket,i was for VAR but i hate it nowMy question is probably already been answered in the posts but haven’t gone through them all. But, am I the only one who feels maybe VAR is/will take away the euphoria you feel when City score? Worries to celebrate incase it’s disallowed?
And yet another bit of casual agesim based on your opinion and not fact.
It people don’t think anything’s been manipulated, do they think the current system is going to get more decision right or wrong than pre-VAR where offside is concerned?