It was not even the worst decision of THIS weekend, so it was not the gravest error, nor the biggest error in the world and yes in real time would have been a tough call (even though I thought it was a pen). Hard to argue with unless your so entrenched that you believe the nasty world is all against little old City.
What’s the point in it going to VAR when we all know the person in the booth aren’t overturning referees on subjective decisions. We all know the outcome and it has nothing to do with it being City, it’s clear that’s the narrative across all games. Unless that’s changed we are wasting time in games playing out that pretend process.
Don't really care what those two think So will have to agree to disagree Personally I would have booked him for simulationAnd they are wrong. Both Rat Boy and Keane both said foul and they are some of the biggest rag sympathisers around!! I can understand the ref not giving it, I don't think he had the best view of it. But to see it from behind and then to still think its not a foul, is frankly bizarre.
However it went in our favour!! :)
Klopp is only saying this because he is attempting to validate his own claims against VAR . I think both incidents were called correctly against Utd, i even think the guy that was fouled took a bit of a dive and embellished the contact, hoping to get a freekick just outside the utd 18yd area. He then abused the 4th official for several minutes without evn being spoken to by the ref. Meanwhile Pep gets booked and fined left right and centreEven Herr Klopp agrees the shove on KDB was a penalty -
"Look at Manchester City yesterday - it was so clear and obvious that Kevin de Bruyne was pushed [against Crystal Palace] and if I am saying Manchester City should have had a penalty then it must have been a penalty."
From BBC SPorts Website https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50119117
I suppose the difference now, is that the decisions look 10 times worse when they're not being overturned by VAR. In the past, they could stand by the ref 'didn't see it clearly'. Now they've got no excuse for getting it wrong, and it's standing out like a sore thumbIt works by legitimizing poor refereeing decisions and also helping the referee, if need be, when they can't find a reason to disallow a goal (an armpit hair being offside for example). An extremely clever way of massaging results. Taylor already new that by not giving the penalty he'd be supported by his VAR colleagues - no skin off his head - he won't be rested or made to officiated down the leagues anymore. It's brilliant when you think about it - zero accountability and the opportunity, or at least the chance, to engineer a result. Even if you think everything is above board and fair - it is more open to misuse than before it. The lack of transparency and accountability for something of this importance is staggering.
Probably mentioned elsewhere, but did Ref Watch have any comment on our (non) penalty at Palace?
And if my aunty had a dick she would be my uncle, and how do you know the game would have panned out differently? Oh you don't
Don't really care what those two think So will have to agree to disagree Personally I would have booked him for simulation
It was obvious to me in real time, I perhaps had a more favourable view than the ref with the camera angle. Seriously though mate, it's a stonewall penalty that even the most ardent Liverpool and United fans I talk football with are calling a definite pen and believe me they would normally argue against anything in City's favour.
I don’t think the world is against City, I'll admit to seeing things from a biased perspective but I'd rather be that than Bluemoon's answer to Niall Quinn.
Well; that's 4 now. Spurs, Bournemouth and Palace in the PL, and (IIRC) Dinamo in the CL (foul on Sergio, wasn't it?).Yeah, they all agreed it was a penalty, even Dermott Gallagher. Stephen Warnock described it as 'GBH'. Even more frustrating that it wasn't given even with VAR!
I bet if it was 0 -3 at the time, he'd have given it.Yeah, they all agreed it was a penalty, even Dermott Gallagher. Stephen Warnock described it as 'GBH'. Even more frustrating that it wasn't given even with VAR!
So literally that first sentence is pretty much my own take on it, so our views are not so different. Also I would also imagine for a ref in real time making a decision in a fraction of a second it must be tough to determine who initiates the contact as players have an inclination to drag there leg across the others to show contact to the ref so I can understand the refs doubt, hence its not the gravest of errors. But I do agree it was a pen.
I prefer to not see things from a biased perspective so I can see its a pen having watched loads of replays but could I be certain in real time, not so sure. Its not therefore in my eyes a ridiculous stance.
Yes fair enough mate you keep being biased, as many people are, and I will keep trying to be objective. No right or wrong there but strange you call
someone out on it.
You're missing my point, I prefer not to see things from a biased perspective but I accept I do, in your efforts to be objective you over compensate, a la Niall Quinn.
So you think that the goal should have been disallowed?
Yeah remember that one.
It was one of the few occasions they’ve done what they are supposed to, ie let the play run on and then check.
Absolutely. It was a foul. I’d have been raving if it was against City and I expected it to be given yesterday but was happy it wasn’t.
Yeah, also the penalty for encroachment.
Bizarre when all the stats including events this weekend highlight VAR are not overturning penalty decisions for anyone not just us.
Yes contrary to a lot of the nonsense written.
Go on then how many have been overturned by Var if you certain it would happen to anyone but City?