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Len Rum said:
R's too high. ( 1 in some regions ).
The rate of new infections is 'not a low number' according to Liberty Valance.
Remind me again why are we unlocking so soon rather than wait another two weeks?
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Not disagreeing with you. But many have been saying ‘why not just a wait a couple weeks’ for a long time now.
 
Len Rum said:
R's too high. ( 1 in some regions ).
The rate of new infections is 'not a low number' according to Liberty Valance.
Remind me again why are we unlocking so soon rather than wait another two weeks?
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The biggest change of shops opening is over 2 weeks away.
 
inbetween said:
You can't test a vaccine without someone who has the virus and you can't attain or even test herd immunity when it isn't prevalent in a community. So really whilst virus cases coming down is good news, it's very bad news if we want a vaccine or some immunity from the virus.

It's horrendous but we have to resign ourselves to two possible scenarios:

1) We learn how to control the spread (following social distancing and contact tracing) and the virus slowly dies out over a number of years but it maybe becomes a repeating flu type illness that infects and kills X number of people per year.

2) We see a second wave, a third wave, a fourth wave, etc etc and we continually go round the houses until a vaccine/herd immunity is developed.

Either way, neither of these options are good because option 1) means years of misery and option 2) means a lot of deaths and misery.
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You do not need there to be cases of the virus in the general public to test a vaccine.
 
meltonblue said:
You do not need there to be cases of the virus in the general public to test a vaccine.
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You have to have exposure to the virus to know if the vaccine works or not.
So either you need viral transmission or you have to infect people deliberately.
 
oman0115 said:
Can I get a poll of opinions? My work is slowly going back, they are aiming to start with 30%. The Management board ( CEO ) has stated people who live with in cycling distance, or own a car should go back first. My manager is putting pressure on me to go in, my current commute is on a train and can take an hour. Over here the trains aren't running at full efficiency and operate at 40% capacity. Potentially I could be late for work, or it could take hours to get home.

I've challenged him and said isn't it company directive that train commuters are the last back. He said it is but he would like me back ( because we have new staff and he needs experienced people in ) I honestly don't want to spend hours commuting right now whilst others work from home ( most of whom have been doing the square root of FA ) I've politely told him to follow protocol / directives. Was this the right thing to do?
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Could be worse, u could be a nurse.
 
Blue Maverick said:
They only locked down to stop having catastrophic figures, do you think it’s miraculously going away? I’m telling you what they are gearing up for in the NHS and I’m more inclined to believe someone on the frontline than some lying fuckers on tv. Do you think they give a shit in summer how many get it if they can cope with it, they’ll want herd immunity in summer to cope in winter, the very vulnerable are still been told to isolate, my wife has been told her office in the nhs is not opening until July and even then she won’t be going back because of her diabetes. In the NW they’ve had a spike again after VE Day, imagine what it will be like in a month after what we are seeing now.
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I've got multiple friends working on the frontline in hospitals in the North West. Or at least they were all until they got moved back to their regular wards as there was not enough covid cases. Not going into an office week m with diabetes is common sense and my work will be exactly the same.

We've not really had a spike though have we. The number of people in hospital with covid in the NW is lower than at any time since around the end of March and has steadily declined. If you're talking about the number of positive tests then of course that will be higher as more are being tested.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Yeah, the car is outside but the people aren’t. They are inside a car, an enclosed space, no different to being inside a room. Also, they would not be 2m apart.
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Ffs.

Can't sit in a car together but footballers can roll round on the floor together, I can go to the dentists (enclosed space) and have him rummage round in my mouth and kids can sit in the same classroom (enclosed space) together?

Are they just taking the piss on purpose these cunts?
 
birchwoodgingerste said:
Did i hear right today a lot of people who have the virus still test negative?
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This one is about antibody tests rather than tests to see if you have it, but it gives you an idea of the accuracy (scroll right).


I'd guess that tests to see if you currently have it are much more accurate though. But there have been a lot of dodgy test providers out there because so much of it has been made quickly with little quality control. I think almost every country has a story of some tests or equipment they bought that didn't work as scammers try to make money of the problem.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not disagreeing with you. But many have been saying ‘why not just a wait a couple weeks’ for a long time now.
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Possibly R is lower in the community excluding care homes and hospitals ( but they won't tell us the figures).
And Liberty Valance is maybe over egging the significance of the figure of new infections so we all obey the new rules ( excluding the Dom of course).
 
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BlueAnorak said:
70% of infected people dont show symptoms. The reason why this virus is such a bugger.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/people-infected-coronavirus-never-show-symptoms/
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I find that hard to believe tbh.

The conclusion if true (as stated in the article) would be that contact tracing would be unlikely to work, because even if you were 100% successful at identifying cases and their contacts and isolating all of them (clearly impossible) you would only be isolating 30% of infected people and their contacts. And perhaps half of that in reality.

And yet the empirical evidence from places like South Korea is that extensive testing and contact tracing does work, and in fact is incredibly effective. I cannot imagine how South Korea would have managed to keep the death toll down to 269 (they have a similar population and population density to us) if they could never identify 70% plus of infected people. That makes no sense.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I find that hard to believe tbh.

The conclusion if true (as stated in the article) would be that contact tracing would be unlikely to work, because even if you were 100% successful at identifying cases and their contacts and isolating all of them (clearly impossible) you would only be isolating 30% of infected people and their contacts. And perhaps half of that in reality.

And yet the empirical evidence from places like South Korea is that extensive testing and contact tracing does work, and in fact is incredibly effective. I cannot imagine how South Korea would have managed to keep the death toll down to 269 (they have a similar population and population density to us) if they could never identify 70% plus of infected people. That makes no sense.
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From other articles about the same story it was said this was a study of 129 people so quite a small group.
 
quiet_riot said:
"Fragile state" and "Cautious easing of lockdown" seem to be phrases totally at odds with what is actually happening.
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Especially as the R trend is upwards before new relaxations.
Is there no way to geographically allow certain areas eg counties to reach next stage quicker than others?
 
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