CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[slbsn]

CAS reviewed more evidence than UEFA did, hence why CAS stated that if we'd fully cooperated in the first place, then UEFA may well have come to the same conclusion as CAS. That's partly why they hit us with the €10million fine.

I think we are all making related but slightly different points that isn't really working on here!

I think it wanted to consider the email evidence including the leaks partly to prevent an appeal on the admissibility point.

 

[BringBackSwales]

You may well be right. FWIW was disappointed with Kloss when she informed the press, “in confidence”, that Mancini was being sacked, in the run up to the Wigan Cup Final. I just think managing the media with regard to FFP is an impossible job, given how loaded the media bias is against us.

I don’t think you were as unimpressed as Roberto was. He felt unsupported from her the whole time, I believe. He clearly felt the press had open day on attacking him at every conference, and it’s still going on, at every conference

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Colin did me and this board a huge favour posting it.

I don't post everything I hear but that made absolute sense and confirmed my own suspicions. I'd said that if they had more, they'd have used it but that was the best they could do. Even ****y Conn wasn't impressed by those emails.

 

[kaz7]

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[Rochdale Blue]

Stop.

This is not what we do mate.

Posts like this give ammunition to our detractors and can be lifted by those who want to cast our fan base in a bad light.

Good grief..There was a little smiley at the end to show I wasn't serious but I think these peddlers of warped propaganda have already done more than enough to cast every single blue as an enemy of football and world peace.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don’t think you were as unimpressed as Roberto was. He felt unsupported from her the whole time, I believe. He clearly felt the press had open day on attacking him at every conference, and it’s still going on, at every conference

Mancini knew full well he was going to be sacked, from the moment he was called to Abu Dhabi and told he would need to willingly cooperate with Txiki Bergiristain or else. When he told them to get lost, he knew he was getting his P45 at the end of the season. The club had no reason to support him.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Confused ? Plus does this mean we can work out what Etihad are paying and what if any increases there are or where over the period note Liverpool fans saying why would a company sign a deal then keep increasing how much they are paying unless related party etc etc

PB thinks it's three years payment of a sponsorship, two of which were brought forward a year - so it reports as being in years 0, 1 and 3 instead of 1, 2 and 3.

The increasing sponsorship theory was started by a Harris, I think. If I understand it right, @Prestwich_Blue believes that it's a misread taking 4 years of sponsorship and believing it to be over 3 years. I may be wrong in my interpretation there.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

A few posters have a strange dislike for Vikki Kloss which seems to be based on the fact that she doesn't call Conn a c*** on social media.

If she called him a wankstain then I’d be sold!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

of course City were obstructive because City didnt want their private emails being passed onto the likes of you in the press you knobhead !!...thats Tony Evens not MillionMilesAway ;)

I was more thinking that the CAS panel seemed to be who he was referring to, and they didn't fine CIty 27M.

(and thanks for the clarification - would have seemed a bit harsh otherwise!)

 

[Shads]

I think we are all making related but slightly different points that isn't really working on here!

I think it wanted to consider the email evidence including the leaks partly to prevent an appeal on the admissibility point.

I agree. It was always easier to give little weight to the emails than it was to dismiss them. By overruling City on admissibility of emails and on the fact that Settlement Agreement didn’t cover any of the relevant topics, all of UEFAs arguments are effectively decided upon and dealt with.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I think it is hard to conclude that we did anything other than as set out in the legal documents and audit. Getting around the documents is rightly very difficult. IMO it was always obvious that the emails would be allowed but had limited evidential weight on their own.

Didn't it say that only one was with an external party? So most didn't even provide indication of external arrangements?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

PB thinks it's three years payment of a sponsorship, two of which were brought forward a year - so it reports as being in years 0, 1 and 3 instead of 1, 2 and 3.

The increasing sponsorship theory was started by a Harris, I think. If I understand it right, @Prestwich_Blue believes that it's a misread taking 4 years of sponsorship and believing it to be over 3 years. I may be wrong in my interpretation there.

That's my interpretation. Let's say we agreed £220m over 4 years. In Y1 we took £70m, same in Y2, £10m in Y3 and £70m in Y4. So that's £220m over 4 years but we took £15m extra in each of years 1, 2 & 4, which we took off the £55m we were theoretically due in Y3.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I don’t think you were as unimpressed as Roberto was. He felt unsupported from her the whole time, I believe. He clearly felt the press had open day on attacking him at every conference, and it’s still going on, at every conference

Do you think Pep would be making noises to the suits if he felt that he wasn't getting the correct level of support from our PR dept ? Or does he just think it goes with the territory - I am sure the twats in Spain didn't all lick his arse. Can't imagine those on the Madrid payroll gave him an easy time.

As fans we clearly detest the fact that these journo whores get to chuck their shitty snipes at him during press conferences without us knowingly getting redress from the club , and tolmie has said that we do react to things which we don't approve of . I got the impression that Simon Heggie isn't rated by some, but I could be wrong.

Not looking to argue the point byw , just a thought .

 

[MillionMilesAway]

these 9 clubs have form a cartel to try and stop City, its not a to far a jump to think that these 9 clubs might work together to throw matches to help each other, this doesnt look good for football

I suspect those looking to get into the CL came up with an idea, and then talked the mid-table sides into it.

In principle, I can see every reason that clubs wanted the ban not to be held over pending appeal - as an example. SheffU might not be threatening Europe again. They weren't campaigning to ban City, but to stop the appeals process putting it off.

Liverpool were clearly doing it to make sure a rival was not allowed to put in some preparation work to lessen the damage from a ban.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Do you think Pep would be making noises to the suits if he felt that he wasn't getting the correct level of support from our PR dept ? Or does he just think it goes with the territory - I am sure the twats in Spain didn't all lick his arse. Can't imagine those on the Madrid payroll gave him an easy time.

As fans we clearly detest the fact that these journo whores get to chuck their shitty snipes at him during press conferences without us knowingly getting redress from the club , and tolmie has said that we do react to things which we don't approve of . I got the impression that Simon Heggie isn't rated by some, but I could be wrong.

Pep might accept it pal, it doesn’t make it right. I don’t rate Simon Veggie but tbf I have never met him, or heard anything of note from him

 

[BringBackSwales]

Mancini knew full well he was going to be sacked, from the moment he was called to Abu Dhabi and told he would need to willingly cooperate with Txiki Bergiristain or else. When he told them to get lost, he knew he was getting his P45 at the end of the season. The club had no reason to support him.

He may well have been, but do you really find it acceptable how he was treated at press conferences? Or Manuel, or Pep? I think Useless got treated ok by the press but I can’t quite work out why that might have been the case

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Pep might accept it pal, it doesn’t make it right. I don’t rate Simon Veggie but tbf I have never met him, or heard anything of note from him

Fair enough, but I get the feeling that the supporters feelings about the press /journos are different to the way the club choose to deal with them.

I'm sure many on here would prefer a public thrashing of Delaney, Conn, Harris twins et al.

 

[SilverFox2]

I suspect those looking to get into the CL came up with an idea, and then talked the mid-table sides into it.

In principle, I can see every reason that clubs wanted the ban not to be held over pending appeal - as an example. SheffU might not be threatening Europe again. They weren't campaigning to ban City, but to stop the appeals process putting it off.

Liverpool were clearly doing it to make sure a rival was not allowed to put in some preparation work to lessen the damage from a ban.

I certainly think it would be naive to think that any company in any sector of business would turn down a chance to share in millions of pounds worth of income.
Each company should fight for its own income that is why a group of companies form cartels. And that is why it is illegal in most business sectors.

 

[Centurions]

I suspect those looking to get into the CL came up with an idea, and then talked the mid-table sides into it.

In principle, I can see every reason that clubs wanted the ban not to be held over pending appeal - as an example. SheffU might not be threatening Europe again. They weren't campaigning to ban City, but to stop the appeals process putting it off.

Liverpool were clearly doing it to make sure a rival was not allowed to put in some preparation work to lessen the damage from a ban.

I believe Arsenal were the driving force between this and other matters. I can't remember if that's from one of the ITKs or not.

 

[Newman Noggs]

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