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I really take your point about how wishy washy the government has been on this and how a defined strategy has been non existent from the off, it's been a clusterfuck from the start and we are in agreement with that 100%.

Mix this with scientists unable to agree with anything ( The new one being the virus can live on cash for up to 30 days being the trending example) and you get confusion. Trump and his disenfectant statements, the crowds in Hyde park who take every conspiracy theory without even checking the rubbish they believe and we have a recipe for disaster.

Your explanation of this means you have thought it through, however you probably don't believe in the flat earth or that disenfectant injections will cure the virus, there are many out there that really believe that nonsense because someone "Important" told them that it's true.
I completely agre that there are many crackpots out there but the bottom line is that we have a government that is continually fighting an election campaign. One that it won less than a year ago and will be safely esconced in government for another 4+ years unless it makes another horlicks out of looking after care homes and yet it cannot lead to save its life, much less anyone else's. There needs to be consensus not continual fighting, turning people into snoops, hiding the facts in case it makes you look daft. His biggest hero, Mr Churchill, was never afaid to change his mind as circumstances changed and that was undoubtedly one of his biggest strengths. Not Bojo or any of the clowns in the cabinet and it is a bi-product of appointing ministers based on loyalty and their views on Brexit, which is no different to how the communist party appoint in China, which is funny in one way but both sad and frightening, in another.

As @cleavers has mentioned on more than one occassion, it's not that complex, it's all about the messaging.
The initial messaging at the beginning of the national lockdown was unambiguous: Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives. It was clear, it fit nicely within the rule of three and it gave people a clear, call to action.
The people responded accordingly, not how the behavioural scientists predicted. People understood what was being asked of them, why it was being asked and, for the overwhelming majority, they followed the restrictions accordingly.

But, since then, we’ve found ourselves slipping into ever more vague language in follow-up messaging. Soon, it shifted towards terms like ‘stay alert’ and ‘defeat the virus’, – terms which lacked a clear, tangible meaning to people. They were open to interpretation, even by the most senior of government ministers and officials, and it led people to concerting more effort finding loopholes than keeping sight of why the restrictions were there in the first place, as they were bound to do. That is without the mixed messaging about going to work, staying at home, getting thin, eating out to help out and the rest. These are all nebulous terms that mean nothing. Once you have vague messages people will interpret them in their own way.

The one other thing they did very well was focus on how high the compliance was. Telling people that 85% are compliant is just totally different to saying 15% are getting away with it and we want you to spy on them and report them so we can fine them. Thanking the 85% means that number is likely to get bigger whilst focussing on the 15% means the 85% will get smaller, as people baulk at the perception that everybody is doing what they want except me. Then, of course, they doubled down on that by blaming the public for the rise in cases, which was never going to be a great tactic.
However, driving division and difference is what this government specialises in so it was probably never going to end up any differently.
 
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Get fit videos work just as well as the gym and use door frames and sit ups etc , it was fine for us to do and now people have the wi things they can use at home , go for a run, warmed up in seconds, bike ride , walking over the coast , loads of things to do to keep fit , moaning cunts
What a pleasant way to end the message. Lovely
 
36 England hospital deaths - big rise from 10 last Monday. Think the biggest week to week yet as Sunday data (as this is) is usually lowest of the week.

14 from NW.
 
So Manchester’s threat of a Judicial
Review seems to have secured the Tier 2. Let’s now see the help with enforcement of the Covid rules in pubs / restaurants that the Clubcil leaders promised. Then, hopefully, hospitality can remaiin open and people can have a good, safe time whilst safeguarding jobs.
 
  • Greater Manchester will be placed into a tier 2 lockdown, local MP says, with pubs that serve food open but no household mixing indoors

I don’t think that really is that much difference from what we are currently under
 
So Manchester’s threat of a Judicial
Review seems to have secured the Tier 2. Let’s now see the help with enforcement of the Covid rules in pubs / restaurants that the Clubcil leaders promised. Then, hopefully, hospitality can remaiin open and people can have a good, safe time whilst safeguarding jobs.

No - I think common sense did. If you made GM and Merseyside identical when right now they are not you remove the basis of the tier system. Where status depends on rates. You need incentives to reward progress or nobody will bother trying.

So it was good sense to differentiate and reward progress and the opposite if you regress.

Now Merseyside leaders will push hard to reduce numbers to use GM as an example of where they need to be to get a similar downgrade and if numbers rise in GM then leaders here know what will happen.

Making both regions now the same loses that key aspect of what tiers achieve. Incentives to do better
 
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Rightly too Oldham released from its special measures within GM.

It has joined the GM pack in cases so that seems fair. Wigan right now would be the place that should have had any extra measures based on past few weeks. So it makes sense not to single out.
 
No common sense did. If you made GM and Merseyside identical when right now they are not you remove the basis of the tier system. Where status depends on rates. You need incentives to reward progress or nobody will bother trying.

So it was good sense to differentiate and reward progress and the opposite if you regress.

Now Merseyside leaders will push hard to reduce numbers to use GM as an example of where they need to be to get a sinilar downgrade and if numbers rise in GM then leaders here know what will happen.

Making both the same loses thar key aspect of what tiers achieve. Incentives.
I agree about incentives but is it significant progress or does the grading reflect the spike from Manchester’s larger student population subsiding, which was likely to happen? I hope Manchester is making real progress and we do a downward trend sustained.
 
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I think i have been quite controlled considering what it has done to me , in a bad mood with it today and frustrated by people not using their creativity to do things but stick to the rules as well ,soz
Youre the biggest moaning **** on here , and not just this thread!

‘Soz’ not everyone agrees with you.
‘Soz’ people have different ideas on how to deal with this shite.

genuinely sorry Youve suffered with it.

but weve all got shit going on, some personal, some financial, some mental, some connected to covid, some not.

but pontificating and name calling just because they arent in the same page as you isnt the way to go about it.
 
Van Tam:

"...the epidemic this time has clearly picked up pace in the north of England earlier than it did in the first wave and that almost certainly relates to the fact the disease levels in the north, and certainly in the north-west, never dropped as far in the summer as they did in the south."

so they reopened lockdown too early?
 
England hospital deaths data:

11 Oct adds 7 = 7 after one day.

10 Oct adds 23 = 28 after two days.

9 Oct adds 4 = 25 after three days.

8 Oct adds 2 = 46 after four days.

7 Oct adds 0 = 55 after five days. The highest 5 day total since 10 June.

No other adds ons.

14 of the deaths were from the NW and 14 from Yorkshire - so 28 of the 36 between them.
 
Van Tam:

"...the epidemic this time has clearly picked up pace in the north of England earlier than it did in the first wave and that almost certainly relates to the fact the disease levels in the north, and certainly in the north-west, never dropped as far in the summer as they did in the south."

so they reopened lockdown too early?
Considering every area was behind London in March, but this London centric government made all its decisions on what was happening in London, it’s hardly a surprise.
 
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