COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[TheCentralScrutinizer]

Not one for defending scousers but I have a mate who works in concert square and speaking with him this morning the “party” held last night was the student population and before you ask he isn’t a scouser defending his own .

so what you're mate is saying basically is it wasn't their fault.....

 

[Mike Cledford]

"It means more"

More like 'tell us never' because 'we are the scouse nation who dont tske notice of the law.
And the Chief Constable lets us do what we like '.
I know its a world wide problem but the news clips of them celebrating the PL as if it was a good thing to do instead of condemning them put the wrong idea into many empty heads in this country.

 

[Blu1]

What is wrong with scousers ? They go into full lock down by having a street party. Idiots

 

[grunge]

It is shite no doubt about that but one positive is that Spain's cases who are a few weeks in front of us have levelled off without any real lockdown, so there is a good chance that will happen here if we base this on the previous patterns. Deaths aren't escalating like they did earlier in the year, there is better treatment available and the weekly death count is where it is expected to be at this time of year. Covid is still only responsible for around 2% of all deaths so there needs to be some perspective.

They try and deliver these lockdown measures to coincide with Tuesdays increased figures to get this exact reaction, they want us to be scared so we follow the rules, which I understand.

No real lockdown? apart from Madrid and 9 other cities, no closing of pubs but limited capacity and no travel outside of the cities.

Coronavirus: Spain imposes state of emergency on Madrid

The order follows a court decision to lift a partial lockdown on the capital and nine nearby cities.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Phil1]

No real lockdown? apart from Madrid and 9 other cities, no closing of pubs but limited capacity and no travel outside of the cities.

Coronavirus: Spain imposes state of emergency on Madrid

The order follows a court decision to lift a partial lockdown on the capital and nine nearby cities.

www.bbc.co.uk

Plus the fact we aren’t all congregating in the streets in our thousands having parties because the pubs have closed and the vast majority have followed the rules regarding masks etc.
Spain is getting it right in a lot of instances but like you say, still doesn’t prevent certain areas from being locked down.
Every picture coming from the U.K. seems to be one of defiance against the rules and then people wonder why things are getting worse.

 

[True_Blue69]

No real lockdown? apart from Madrid and 9 other cities, no closing of pubs but limited capacity and no travel outside of the cities.

Coronavirus: Spain imposes state of emergency on Madrid

The order follows a court decision to lift a partial lockdown on the capital and nine nearby cities.

www.bbc.co.uk

The numbers had already plateaued smart arse.

 

[kunaguero10]

Just read the last 60 odd pages on here and fuck me its a depressingly grim read.

Everything is fucked at the minute and I for one am struggling a bit mentally, I can deal with it at the moment but the lack of any kind of hope is slightly eating away at me.

A good summary of my thoughts too - the key being ‘at the minute’.

As we’ve seen with the recent reversal of progress since Sept, and before that the relaxation in June/July, it doesn’t take that much to cause public mood to swing in a situation like this. Social media and the way we communicate currently amplifies that.

So it stands that all it will require to lift moods significantly is a couple of weeks, maybe even just a few days, of positive news to put the nation in more optimistic spirits. That could well come in mid November, just 4 weeks say, should daily rises plateau and deaths continue to not rise in line with current trends. Just any change in trajectory of the current news. If it ever stops fucking raining that would be a bonus too.

Point is, I hope we can all try and remember that things are always in a state of flux, it isn’t just set in stone that we’ve got a miserable and utterly bleak 6 months coming up. Things will hopefully soon appear lighter.

 

[True_Blue69]

Plus the fact we aren’t all congregating in the streets in our thousands having parties because the pubs have closed and the vast majority have followed the rules regarding masks etc.
Spain is getting it right in a lot of instances but like you say, still doesn’t prevent certain areas from being locked down.
Every picture coming from the U.K. seems to be one of defiance against the rules and then people wonder why things are getting worse.

That's not the reality mate, that's the media. Yes there are people acting like fools but if you went to town on a Friday or Saturday night the experience will be nothing like the media is projecting. They want clicks and the public want to feel outraged so they keep feeding it. Can't believe people are actually feeling for it, as City fans we see how they write stories to manipulate our image yet we take it as gospel that what they are publishing around the virus is correct.

 

[Chippy_boy]

What have China done differently to the rest of us? Yes they hide stuff and you can never take face value what they say, they have a population of 1.3 billion and they are ploughing on regardless now compared to where they were in January. We have a population of 66 million and the country is in a slow paralysis. If they were hiding infections and deaths it would eventually materialise there’s always dissenting voices in China that will let the outside world know.

Is it their prior knowledge of what to with sars in 2002. You look at Japan population of 128 million, double the U.K. and they have 90,000 cases confirmed whilst the U.K. is pushing past 600,000.

Do we look at the collective populations of these countries and their ability to conform to do what they are told (or carted off to a prison camp in China). Whilst in the U.K. our mentality is ‘I’m not doing that’.

On vaccines it’s thought that around 3 in China are lot closer to being approved than anything the west is producing. They’ve been injecting it into all military personnel since the summer, is it working and are they rolling it out to the wider population as lab rats so they can flog it to the world? I would imagine with politics in play the U.K. and US would be right at the back of the line for that.

I think it's basically (a) ubiquitous wearing of face masks, (b) far less dithering and delay - acting quickly, (c) stringent adherence to rules and (d) under-reporting.

But I agree with you that (d) cannot on its own account for the discrepancies, and as time goes by that is ever more the case. It is inescapable IMO that they have done a MUCH better job than we have and (a), (b) and (c) are the reasons.

 

[artfuldodger]

A good summary of my thoughts too - the key being ‘at the minute’.

As we’ve seen with the recent reversal of progress since Sept, and before that the relaxation in June/July, it doesn’t take that much to cause public mood to swing in a situation like this. Social media and the way we communicate currently amplifies that.

So it stands that all it will require to lift moods significantly is a couple of weeks, maybe even just a few days, of positive news to put the nation in more optimistic spirits. That could well come in mid November, just 4 weeks say, should daily rises plateau and deaths continue to not rise in line with current trends. Just any change in trajectory of the current news. If it ever stops fucking raining that would be a bonus too.

Point is, I hope we can all try and remember that things are always in a state of flux, it isn’t just set in stone that we’ve got a miserable and utterly bleak 6 months coming up. Things will hopefully soon appear lighter.

I think the difference this time, if numbers improve and restrictions lifted, is that we will fear it’s a false dawn and that we will be back at square one again. In July when some normality returned most of us thought we were through the worst of it and that by Xmas we would be back at footy etc. The fact that Greater Manchester managed just a month of some sort of normality before being put in local restrictions doesn’t help. For the first time in my life I desperately want to move away to somewhere less crowded.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's not the reality mate, that's the media. Yes there are people acting like fools but if you went to town on a Friday or Saturday night the experience will be nothing like the media is projecting. They want clicks and the public want to feel outraged so they keep feeding it. Can't believe people are actually feeling for it, as City fans we see how they write stories to manipulate our image yet we take it as gospel that what they are publishing around the virus is correct.

The media do exaggerate but the North West has been the worst for non-compliance since the start of the pandemic, including bouncy castle parties and raves.

 

[inbetween]

What have China done differently to the rest of us? Yes they hide stuff and you can never take face value what they say, they have a population of 1.3 billion and they are ploughing on regardless now compared to where they were in January. We have a population of 66 million and the country is in a slow paralysis. If they were hiding infections and deaths it would eventually materialise there’s always dissenting voices in China that will let the outside world know.

Is it their prior knowledge of what to with sars in 2002. You look at Japan population of 128 million, double the U.K. and they have 90,000 cases confirmed whilst the U.K. is pushing past 600,000.

Do we look at the collective populations of these countries and their ability to conform to do what they are told (or carted off to a prison camp in China). Whilst in the U.K. our mentality is ‘I’m not doing that’.

On vaccines it’s thought that around 3 in China are lot closer to being approved than anything the west is producing. They’ve been injecting it into all military personnel since the summer, is it working and are they rolling it out to the wider population as lab rats so they can flog it to the world? I would imagine with politics in play the U.K. and US would be right at the back of the line for that.

I wouldn't underestimate the information coming out of China, their deaths are likely to be amongst the worst in the world and there are many anecdotal reports of countless unreported deaths. Initially they were no more successful than anyone else, they just hid it very well.

It clearly got that bad that they came down hard on local areas, often welding doors shut of communes to contain infections quite literally within buildings (imagine that for the students here!). That also means the people dying of COVID within them had no access to care and it is likely that many deaths weren't registered as COVID deaths.

China has been successful because China is an authoritarian country which prioritises the collective over anything else. If that means locking up millions in containment then they'll lock them up because the fact is it works exceptionally well (although is brutal).

Like you have said on vaccines, they will forgo known drug safeguards in order to get a vaccine and test them on willing military personnel because that's what they do. If several die as a result then so be it to save the rest.

That's the whole idea of a collective country and it's just a different culture that no-one in the western world can begin to understand or comprehend. Should we take on that culture, not a chance, but we have to accept that a consequence of freedom is pain, it always has been.

 

[Chippy_boy]

they really are a vile bunch. I was there at weekend and grown men in there 40s prancing around in Boss tracksuits and chavvy Nike trainers with that ridiculous accent. What a shithole of a place that is.

I'd rather live in Aleppo.

 

[artfuldodger]

Plus the fact we aren’t all congregating in the streets in our thousands having parties because the pubs have closed and the vast majority have followed the rules regarding masks etc.
Spain is getting it right in a lot of instances but like you say, still doesn’t prevent certain areas from being locked down.
Every picture coming from the U.K. seems to be one of defiance against the rules and then people wonder why things are getting worse.

Can I just ask, my son is in Madrid and says there are no restrictions about having people in your house or visiting other peoples houses, apart from numbers. Is that correct. ?

 

[Mike Cledford]

Well the protest against the pub restrictions in our town went well. About 20 attended with the crowd being doubled by the police presence. The clips on facebook are hilarious. One girl can be heard shouting "don't film me, I'm supposed to be at home self isolating". Another one asks where Davie is as he said he would be there to which the reply was "he is in the pub".
The protest appeared to be a few of the landlords and some of our local bar flies.
They did make the local news where the organiser stated that the rules should not apply in a small rural area that has next to no cases at all. He should have maybe done his homework as according to the govt website we have had 256 in hospital in the last week and 2 deaths. Might not sound a lot but the population of our town is something like 7k.

Rather than loads of police they need the fire brigade with high pressure hoses on a nice cold night, preferably with a bright green dye which cannot be be removed until well after the incubation period ends.
Or put them in the stocks for a similar time.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I hard the lead Covid vaccine researcher at Bradford University explaining some of the complications with developing the vaccine on the radio this morning. They include:
- boosting the immune response sufficiently to defeat the virus for years (when acquiring the virus through herd immunity may only give 3 months protection.
- getting sufficient volunteers from vulnerable groups to test the virus eg only 7% of volunteers were from BAME communities.

They are still working on on their 12 month timetable for 3 phases of testing (they started in September) but they don’t control the timetable for regulatory approval and distribution.

The researched did say there was a great resource for screening volunteers that they were utilising and he sounded pretty upbeat. Other vaccines may become available before this one but I thought we were looking at next Autumn anyway.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Rather than loads of police they need the fire brigade with high pressure hoses on a nice cold night, preferably with a bright green dye which cannot be be removed until well after the incubation period ends.
Or put them in the stocks for a similar time.

Loads of Scousers going around looking like Robin Hood would be fun

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I hard the lead Covid vaccine researcher at Bradford University explaining some of the complications with developing the vaccine on the radio this morning. They include:
- boosting the immune response sufficiently to defeat the virus for years (when acquiring the virus through herd immunity may only give 3 months protection.
- getting sufficient volunteers from vulnerable groups to test the virus eg only 7% of volunteers were from BAME communities.

They are still working on on their 12 month timetable for 3 phases of testing (they started in September) but they don’t control the timetable for regulatory approval and distribution.

The researched did say there was a great resource for screening volunteers that they were utilising and he sounded pretty upbeat. Other vaccines may become available before this one but I thought we were looking at next Autumn anyway.

sounds sensible and more re-assuring than "It'll be ready in March and still be in safe". Like hell it would.

 

[Mike Cledford]

Loads of Scousers going around looking like Robin Hood would be fun

I was going to suggest red or purple dye but with lots of boozers like a certain ex football manager their faces are already that colour.

 

[artfuldodger]

I hard the lead Covid vaccine researcher at Bradford University explaining some of the complications with developing the vaccine on the radio this morning. They include:
- boosting the immune response sufficiently to defeat the virus for years (when acquiring the virus through herd immunity may only give 3 months protection.
- getting sufficient volunteers from vulnerable groups to test the virus eg only 7% of volunteers were from BAME communities.

They are still working on on their 12 month timetable for 3 phases of testing (they started in September) but they don’t control the timetable for regulatory approval and distribution.

The researched did say there was a great resource for screening volunteers that they were utilising and he sounded pretty upbeat. Other vaccines may become available before this one but I thought we were looking at next Autumn anyway.

I started a vaccine trial last week. I was told to expect to be on it for 13 months. It’s basically a huge injection of antibodies (or a placebo for 50% of us). Even if it only gives 12 months protection, it would be the same as the flu jab. They were still wanting volunteers especially from BAME community.