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Len Rum said:
Penalty clauses are usually unenforceable in English law for any contract ( whether they're service or not).
You can however seek damages in any contract against a vendor/supplier for failure to perform depending on the wording of the contract.
So the Government could have negotiated a contract with these consultants which included provisions for damages if the consultants cocked up.
However I suspect the Government didn't have a clue about the specification for the services or the time to negotiate a contract and just handed the consultants a blank cheque on an hours worked basis.
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Bearing in mind it normally takes government years to negotiate (and massively over-complicate and royally fuck up) even the most basic of agreements, I can well imagine what you say is true.
 
kaz7 said:
People need to grow a pair , i still cant believe people, mainly the young , havent grasped what is happening , but i want to do what i want to do , i want i want , makes me want to fucking slap them , they are not being targetted , this is all over the world
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I agree with you but you cant deny the government handling of this has been woeful.
They haven't got a clue Karen, a month to late to lockdown, track and trace abysmal and a vast array of confusing rules.
They put Manchester in Tier 2 on Tuesday now it's a big argument to put us into 3.
I find it amazing that we are one of the worst affected countries in the world yet we are an island, albeit a crowded one.
Surely the fact that we are an Island should have theoretically mean we should have an advantage?
I've said this all along, yes we are in a pandemic and I know some people who have had it.
That said I believe there is more to all of this, what I dont know. Maybe a day we will find out.
 
Ancoats blue said:
Apparently the opening Government line this morning , according to the BBC, was ... "We can either do Tier 3 with you, or without you" .... Burnham seems to be argueing against a decision that has ALREADY been taken.
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I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
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Failed national politician who is now a big fish in a small pond. These cunts just on a massive ego trip to be relevant
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Can anyone honestly say the App has worked for them ? That they check it regularly? That it’s making any difference at all.
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None whatsoever, having said that i am doing all i can to avoid public places other than food shopping, i have only had to scan a QR code once.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
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Agree seems daft that he wanted a full lockdown and is now threatening legal action if we go into a local one. I suspect if they offer more money in the furlough scheme or whatever it's called now he will be happy with it. Makes you wonder how much they think tier 3 will actually make a difference. Surely if the risk was that great he would want to go straight it
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Can anyone honestly say the App has worked for them ? That they check it regularly? That it’s making any difference at all.
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If you mean has it not told me I have been in contact with any one with Covid when I haven't then yes.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
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He keeps saying that Greater Manchester has been in local restrictions for 12 weeks with cases rising. So therefore they haven’t worked. But I didn’t hear him speak out or oppose those restrictions during that time.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Professor of operational research. Hardly an expert in global pandemics. You can't have your cake and eat it on this, you either only listen to experts in that field and rule everything else out. Or listen to all with an open mind. Seems like you've chosen to listen to all, at long as they are saying what you think and dismidsing the rest. If it was as professor in biotechnology saying that lockdowns don't work you'd be quick enough to point it out.
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Too funny. You flounced out of here about three posts ago, but you can't help keeping returning to demonstrate your ignorance.

You have no clue what she, or her dept do, do you? Read and learn. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-operational-research-unit/ "a team of researchers dedicated to applying operational research, data analysis and mathematical modelling to problems in health care." i.e. exactly this sort of issue.

And you have no argument about the content, so have to thrash around looking for other reasons not to accept reality.

But I didn't post the link because she's a super word expert, merely because she explains with great clarity what mainstream thinking is. Great science communicators don't have to be great scientists. You can read the mainstream view of experts in the "Jon Snow declaration" (note - in a medical journal rather than the fringe science "Great Barrington Declaration" which was produced by a right wing pressure group...) here:


Continuing restrictions will probably be required in the short term, to reduce transmission and fix ineffective pandemic response systems, in order to prevent future lockdowns. The purpose of these restrictions is to effectively suppress SARS-CoV-2 infections to low levels that allow rapid detection of localised outbreaks and rapid response through efficient and comprehensive find, test, trace, isolate, and support systems so life can return to near-normal without the need for generalised restrictions. Protecting our economies is inextricably tied to controlling COVID-19. We must protect our workforce and avoid long-term uncertainty.

All the experts you could wish for support that.
 
G'warn Andy. Tell the London elite we will not be guinea pigs in a local lockdown experiment at the cost of many businesses. Get fucked.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
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My interpretation is that Burnham is trying to get a better financial aid package from the government for going into tier 3.

His arguing for a national approach would mean that all areas got the same financial package ie coordinated and consistent.

Given that has been ruled out (for now), he has returned to trying to get as much money to tide over small businesses as possible.

I could be wrong though.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
My interpretation is that Burnham is trying to get a better financial aid package from the government for going into tier 3.

His arguing for a national approach would mean that all areas got the same financial package ie coordinated and consistent.

Given that has been ruled out (for now), he has returned to trying to get as much money to tide over small businesses as possible.

I could be wrong though.
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That's my take on it as well.

Shameful for the BBC to cut off as the questions were still being asked. They wouldn't have done that if it was London.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Agree seems daft that he wanted a full lockdown and is now threatening legal action if we go into a local one. I suspect if they offer more money in the furlough scheme or whatever it's called now he will be happy with it. Makes you wonder how much they think tier 3 will actually make a difference. Surely if the risk was that great he would want to go straight it
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Its weird, the leader of lancashire county council was on bbc news yesterday saying he wants lancashire in tier 3 due to the financial support it brings (talked about £8 per head) for the council.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
My interpretation is that Burnham is trying to get a better financial aid package from the government for going into tier 3.

His arguing for a national approach would mean that all areas got the same financial package ie coordinated and consistent.

Given that has been ruled out (for now), he has returned to trying to get as much money to tide over small businesses as possible.

I could be wrong though.
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And a national approach wouldnt drag on for weeks, as it would be completely unaffordable. I think he believes we’ll be in Tier 3 for months.
 
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