COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[M18CTID]

So do you believe that to carry on as is would be enough?

Nothing is enough to see this virus off prior to a vaccine being widely available short of doing what the Chinese did and welding people inside their homes. That isn’t happening and another long term full lockdown would cause catastrophic damage in other ways. The first one was essential and I was all for it but we need some sort of normality to keep us all sane IMO. If everybody stuck to social distancing and other guidelines, I don’t believe the case numbers during this second wave would be anywhere near as high as they have been.

 

[kaz7]

Italy added to England and Northern Ireland's travel quarantine lists - but Crete removed

Italy, San Marino and Vatican City State have been added to the quarantine list - meaning anyone entering England or Northern Ireland from these countries will have to self-isolate for two weeks.

However, Crete has been removed.

The rules will come into force after 4am on Sunday

 

[ganganvince]

Nothing is enough to see this virus off prior to a vaccine being widely available short of doing what the Chinese did and welding people inside their homes. That isn’t happening and another long term full lockdown would cause catastrophic damage in other ways. The first one was essential and I was all for it but we need some sort of normality to keep us all sane IMO. If everybody stuck to social distancing and other guidelines, I don’t believe the case numbers during this second wave would be anywhere near as high as they have been.

Couldn't agree more if the current measures were enforceable rather than guidelines we could be in a better position.

 

[shemnel]

England Summary | Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK

Official Coronavirus (COVID-19) disease situation dashboard with latest data in the UK.

coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk

handy info: these are Middle Layer Super Output Areas and are part of the census. The population of each is usually between 5,000 and 10,000 people (mean about 7,500)

handy tip: if your MSOA is blanked out white, it means there were 0, 1, or 2 cases for that 7 days (at the moment it's stuck on 7 days up to 10th October). They don't display data with 0-2 cases for data disclosivity reasons, and because it makes fairly meaningless rates per 100,000..

 

[worsleyweb]

Burnham is bang on.
These Westminster twats want to treat the north like a Guinea pig whilst looking after there own country, London.
Steadfastly refuse to do anything them arse holes ask us to do anymore.
Postcode lottery with London being given preferential treatment. Fuck that.

mate you are talking shit nearly every post now.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nothing is enough to see this virus off prior to a vaccine being widely available short of doing what the Chinese did and welding people inside their homes. That isn’t happening and another long term full lockdown would cause catastrophic damage in other ways. The first one was essential and I was all for it but we need some sort of normality to keep us all sane IMO. If everybody stuck to social distancing and other guidelines, I don’t believe the case numbers during this second wave would be anywhere near as high as they have been.

Agreed.

If people stop acting like twats, the virus stays under control. Put your mask on (hint: over your fucking nose as well), stay 2m apart, wash your hands. Heck, even stay in a bit perhaps - huge hardship though that is.

If the vast majority of people took this seriously, we wouldn't be in this shite situation. I mean, cashiers at Morrisons with no fucking masks on. WTF is that about. Have Morrisons no clue just how many people a cashier comes into contact with and how many people an infected cashier might infect? I means it's just shit for brains behaviour isn't it.

 

[worsleyweb]

Credit to Boris, just talking about a lockdown seems to be enough!!


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Blujon May yet be correct?

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I've always been antagonistic towards Andy Burnham, given his Scouse background, but fair play his dealings with Johnson's attempts to strangle the GM economy today have impressed me. They can apparently pay 7k a day to consultants for a failing track n trace system but cannot afford to support workers in GM !

Even the local Tory Mps are in agreement with him, so this bollocks from Hancock that it’s driven by party politics is another lie. If they are going to shut down hospitality provide support which will help businesses survive and their employees pay their bills. Two thirds wages doesn’t do that.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Recall the wkly pop score is basically the Red Zone Watch list number - ie wkly cases per 100,000 (pop)ulation.

Manchester 339 - up from 328. Total cases 14,026. 2407 past week. Pop score up 61 to 2537. Wkly Pop score 435.

Wigan 234 - up from 190. Total cases 6101. 1368 past week. Pop score up 70 to 1856. Wkly Pop score 416.

Salford 157 - down from 178. Total cases 5236. 979 past week. Pop score up 61 to become the 6th borough in the 2000s at 2023. Wkly Pop score 378.

Bolton 151 - up from 150. Total cases 6831. 942 past week Pop score up 53 to 2376. Wkly Pop score 328.

Rochdale 149 - up from 113. Total cases 5311. 877 past week. Pop score up 67 to 2388. Wkly Pop score 394.

Oldham 136 - up from 122. Total cases 6108. 867 past week. Pop score up 57 to 2576. Wkly Pop score 366.

Tameside 136 - up from 96. Total cases 4550. 734 past week. Pop score up 60 to be the 7th borough to enter the 2000 club at 2009. Wkly Pop score 324.

Bury 120 - up from 111. Total cases 4161. 709 past week. Pop score up 63 to 2179. Wkly Pop score 372. (Lowest weekly cases number shows Bury is starting to get over its strugle)

Stockport 100 - down from 111. Total cases 4478. 795 past week. Pop score up lowest today of 34 to enter the 1500 club at 1526. Lowest in GM and one of only three left below 2000 in GM now (Wigan seemingly likely to reduce that to 2 within the next few days). Wkly Pop score 271 (only GM number under 300).

Trafford 97 - down from 116. First real sub 100 score in several days. Total cases 4012. 723 past week. Pop score up 51 to 1690. Gap to catch Stockport up to 164 now. Wkly Pop score 304.


As I noted the usual pattern is starting to re-emerge - further hints we might be starting to see some control over numbers.

Also note the same four lowest boroghs are back scrapping for lowest weekly total and all in the 700s now when they were around 1000 a week or two ago.

It does look like the student numbers maybe pushed things up a lot and has started to settle Too early to be sure but there is promise in the numers here. And as I said earlier GM is better than Merseyiude now so there is undeniable data justifiction for what Andy Burnham is arguing today. Especially as the London path - though from a much lower base than either GM or Merseyside - looks to be upward.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Nightingales more likely to be used for Step down care / staffing issues

 

[cleavers]

Can anyone explain the significance of these figures? Clearly transmission and hospitalisation has continued to rise, so why the drop in triage? Was the second peak just associated with the inability to get tested mid Sept? Or something else?

More likely due to parents flapping about johnny and jessy having the snivels after returning to school, the same snivels they get every year after the summer holidays.

 

[cleavers]

we are testing thousands without any symptoms

People without symptoms shouldn't be being tested (though we all know they will be).

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Blujon May yet be correct?

A broken clock is right twice a day lol. Fingers crossed we start to get on top of the virus.

 

[somapop]

Nightingales more likely to be used for Step down care / staffing issues

Sorry - what does step down care mean?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nightingales more likely to be used for Step down care / staffing issues

Political bollocks. The more observant amongst us might have noticed that since the government's plans to hire the extra nurses, there's been a bit of an unexpected glitch called COVID which has kind of thrown EVERYTHING up in the air. Of course dickheads with a political agenda may not have noticed this.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Sorry - what does step down care mean?

people who are over the worst and on the road to recovery, from my understanding.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Sorry - what does step down care mean?

It’s like intermediate care where people are recovering but aren’t ready to go home yet. To give another example in a different context, they have built a hotel type block at the hospital in Ashton where older patients rehabilitate before going hone (eg if they are getting over injuries from a fall or maybe adapting to using a wheel chair)

 

[Chippy_boy]

People without symptoms shouldn't be being tested (though we all know they will be).

Why?

Surely it makes sense to test people who for whatever reason might have been at risk, before they go off and infect others without realising it. It is the very fact that people without symptoms are infectious, which is the root cause of this pandemic being such a problem.

 

[shemnel]

GM scoreboard:

Recall the wkly pop score is basically the Red Zone Watch list number - ie wkly cases per 100,000 (pop)ulation.

Manchester 339 - up from 328. Total cases 14,026. 2407 past week. Pop score up 61 to 2537. Wkly Pop score 435.

Wigan 234 - up from 190. Total cases 6101. 1368 past week. Pop score up 70 to 1856. Wkly Pop score 416.

Salford 157 - down from 178. Total cases 5236. 979 past week. Pop score up 61 to become the 6th borough in the 2000s at 2023. Wkly Pop score 378.

Bolton 151 - up from 150. Total cases 6831. 942 past week Pop score up 53 to 2376. Wkly Pop score 328.

Rochdale 149 - up from 113. Total cases 5311. 877 past week. Pop score up 67 to 2388. Wkly Pop score 394.

Oldham 136 - up from 122. Total cases 6108. 867 past week. Pop score up 57 to 2576. Wkly Pop score 366.

Tameside 136 - up from 96. Total cases 4550. 734 past week. Pop score up 60 to be the 7th borough to enter the 2000 club at 2009. Wkly Pop score 324.

Bury 120 - up from 111. Total cases 4161. 709 past week. Pop score up 63 to 2179. Wkly Pop score 372. (Lowest weekly cases number shows Bury is starting to get over its strugle)

Stockport 100 - down from 111. Total cases 4478. 795 past week. Pop score up lowest today of 34 to enter the 1500 club at 1526. Lowest in GM and one of only three left below 2000 in GM now (Wigan seemingly likely to reduce that to 2 within the next few days). Wkly Pop score 271 (only GM number under 300).

Trafford 97 - down from 116. First real sub 100 score in several days. Total cases 4012. 723 past week. Pop score up 51 to 1690. Gap to catch Stockport up to 164 now. Wkly Pop score 304.


As I noted the usual pattern is starting to re-emerge - further hints we might be starting to see some control over numbers.

Also note the same four lowest boroghs are back scrapping for lowest weekly total and all in the 700s now when they were around 1000 a week or two ago.

It does look like the student numbers maybe pushed things up a lot and has started to settle Too early to be sure but there is promise in the numers here. And as I said earlier GM is better than Merseyiude now so there is undeniable data justifiction for what Andy Burnham is arguing today. Especially as the London path - though from a much lower base than either GM or Merseyside - looks to be upward.

can i ask you a couple of questions about your pop score?

are you basing this on the date of cases reported stats that you give on here?
are you using 7 days up to today? or some other day a few days ago?
are you using the mid-2019 pop estimates per LTLA?

Cheers

 

[cleavers]

Why?

Because it's what the rules actually say, "If you have symptoms, get a test", it's one of the reasons testing broke completely 3 weeks ago, because people were going for a test for every sneeze.