COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

I am 74 years old and have followed all the regulations and guidelines and have stayed well throughout the crisis. However I am getting heartedly sick of how long this is dragging on, what will happen if the Chinese release another one of these viruses every few years?

Well its been so successful at destroying the western economies, they're bound to do it again.

 

[BlueAnorak]

is nicola still blaming the english.

Yep. The day they went to Blackpool...

 

[BlueAnorak]

Whether you think Lancs should be in Tier 3 or not, I think this sounds like bullying

Lancashire council leaders 'bullied' into going into tier 3​

Lancashire was "bullied" by the government into going into the highest Covid alert level, three council leaders from the county have claimed.
In a joint statement, Matthew Brown and Mohammad Iqbal, leaders of Preston City Council and Pendle Council respectively, said the prime minister's officials, led by Sir Ed Lister, were "unwilling to listen to any evidence" and did not present a plan on how the government's proposals would control the virus.
They said schools, retail, the workplace and a minority of non-compliant individuals were behind the majority of coronavirus transmission, but officials told them these and other areas were "off-limits" and "non-negotiable".
"Throughout the negotiations, government officials were only interested in the politics and threatened any district leader who did not fall into line with 10 Downing Street's threats to accept tier three would suffer an imposition of tier three and that their borough 'would become an island' that would receive much less in funding and resource."
Paul Foster, leader of South Ribble Council, echoed the views, describing the discussions as a "complete shambles".

Labours position in worse than the governments.
"Lockdown!" They cry.
"But not us!" They shout.

 

[ganganvince]

Yep. The day they went to Blackpool...

 

[BlueAnorak]

Asia and Africa seem to have come out of this really well so far.

Most people die a lot younger without a health service.

 

[grunge]

I see Whitty the gloom and doom man is clIming daily infections could be as high as 76k a day.
Yet real world studies (ONS and Zoe to name but two) say its 26k a day.
Time for him to be moved asside I think.

He gave 3 different studies with a range in all. Media have picked up on the highest of them all.

 

[Cityfan]

I see Whitty the gloom and doom man is clIming daily infections could be as high as 76k a day.
Yet real world studies (ONS and Zoe to name but two) say its 26k a day.
Time for him to be moved asside I think.

I didn't hear what he said but the number does not appear to be out of line with the ONS figures.
The mid point for England without the other nations in the ONS survey was around 28,000 with the upper end of the confidence interval being around 38,000 but this was last week and their estimation at that point of the doubling time was about 1 week in the report.
On top of that the figure is for positive swabs the sensitivity of the test may be lower than 70% in poeple self administering the test so the figures could easily be 30% higher than the estimated ones.

 

[grunge]

Although they could take vitamin C?

D but yeah. I would 100% recommend everyone take it now.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Long covid needs , i have been at / in hospital three times since march , i am currently using lung function and CT tests , been to see the lung consultant so outpatient as well now , there is estimates it is affecting thousands of us, from memory an estimate of 100,000 will be affected , there are rehab places for us already , this will be a big drain on resources that will have to be factored in

I think this is the issue that a lot of people are missing. The death rate is very low for this virus (fortunately) but the long term impact on the NHS of treating people who are recovering could be huge. This will have a huge impact on other patients with cancer, heart disease, and strokes. The Government should be communicating this. They seem fixated on the volume of tests with no long-term strategy.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Why the fuck they show that graph is beyond me. Back in March and April the numbers were 10-15 times more than those cases reported.

So why claim only 26k per day are catching it now? I hope that’s the case but Whitty said daily infections were likely to be at the higher end of the main survey ranges because there was a time lag with their findings. I took that to mean that he thought current infections were in the 40 odd thousand region that doesn’t seem totally unreasonable to me.

 

[SiMCFC]

Nothing happened with MMR past a greedy doctor making shit up for money.....

Not true at all, but I'm not going into that as I'm not an anti-vaxxer and it will come across that way.

 

[BlueAnorak]

1657, 3019, 1888, 1542, 1845, 941, 1455, 1533, 1445, 1521, 1515, 1619 are the last 12 days GM totals which are apparently doubling Boris has just claimed.

I must not be very good at maths as that does not look anything like what I call doubling. (The 3000 was the day they added all the cases they lost btw).

It is not falling but it is pretty obviously not escalating

Without measures being adhered to , you always leave that bit off !

Did he say that? I missed it.
He still needs to talk about realities rather than than imaginings.

 

[Healdplace]

Boris cited Cornwall as being why he would not lock down the country as its unfair to do that to somewhere with low case numbers.

Of course there are going to be more cases in Manchester than in Cornwall but....

In the past week the South West has seen ventilators shoot up from 4 to 17 - quadrupled (in that same week the North West only went up 20% not 400%) and patients 77 to 151 (all but a 100% rise) whereas the North West rose by about 50%.

So which area is worse?

You can make numbers say what you want and that is very helpful to politicians.

 

[Healdplace]

Keir Starmer just said cases are rising in Manchester too on Granada Reports just now.

Why can nobody look at the actual numbers or do politicians live in upside downy world?

Cases WERE going up 2 weeks ago. And part of that was thanks to them losing many days worth of data and dumping it in one go.

But since the student numbers have fallen (driving things in GM) this just is not true And its not hard to look and see that - or should not be when you are a politician dealing with a major pandemic.

Of course, hospital data is a concerm but case numbers are the thing you have to change first as you only control admissions, ICU cases and deaths weeks AFTER getting the cases stable and then down.

So its the number that matters most right now

 

[ganganvince]

Keir Starmer just said cases are rising in Manchester too on Granada Repirts just now.

Why can nobody look at the actual numbers or do politicians live in upside downy world?

Cases WERE going up 2 weeks ago. And part of that was thank to them losi9ng many days worth of data and dumping it in one go.

But since the student numbers have fallen this just is not true And its nit hard to look and see that when you are a politician dealing with a major pandemic.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So why claim only 26k per day are catching it now? I hope that’s the case but Whitty said daily infections were likely to be at the higher end of the main survey ranges because there was a time lag with their findings. I took that to mean that he thought current infections were in the 40 odd thousand region that doesn’t seem totally unreasonable to me.

The ZOE study is very accurate at predicting near future infection rates. In fact, Tim Spector was crowing about it this morning in his weekly message to the ZOE nation.
(Prediction: 26k new cases per day at the moment)

 

[cleavers]

Boris cited Cornwall as being why he would not lock down the country as its unfair to do that to somewhere with low case numbers.

Of course there are going to be more cases in Manchester than in Cornwall but....

In the past week the South West has seen ventilators shoot up from 4 to 17 - quadrupled (in that same week the North West only went up 20% not 400%) and patients 77 to 151 (all but a 100% rise) whereas the North West rose by about 50%.

So which area is worse?

You can make numbers say what you want and that is very helpful to politicians.

I agree, and without looking at the nembers in detail 1 > 4 is a 400% increase, but its not as serious as 100 >200 a 100% increase, especially if we are talking 1/100000 to 4 /100000, or 100/100000 to 200/100000.

 

[cleavers]

Keir Starmer just said cases are rising in Manchester too on Granada Reports just now.

Why can nobody look at the actual numbers or do politicians live in upside downy world?

I think they are looking at the ONS data which is a week or more old when we get it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Are we going to see some kind of enforcement of these vaccines?

Trying to not let the anti vaxxers (and yet some are just very suspicious rather than ‘anti vaxx) wind me up but I know lots that won’t take it for reasons beginning with ‘unproven’ to them putting ‘things’ into the global population.

Fine if they dont want the vaccine. just make sure we take their details so they pay for their own treatment if they catch Covid and get ill.

 

[hilts]

He gave 3 different studies with a range in all. Media have picked up on the highest of them all.

These stats are just getting silly when you have 2 studies and one says 26k a day and the other 76k then the only conclusion is the studies are shit and they don’t know.

It’s not like they are ballpark figures 50k is a pretty big disagreement.