COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

150 all settings deaths. Highest since 9 June.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You forget the density of populations per square mile in the countries though, compared to Sweden we are living in a shoebox compared to them, it’s no surprise rates are higher.

Stockholm is more densely populated than Manchester though.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Far from "indisputable", that is absolute prime bollocks. Not only is Sweden's death rate not "far superior to the rest of Europe", it's the exact opposite. There's not a single European country with a significantly worse death rate than Sweden.

This table suggests different to your view...

There are only four countries that have a current lower death rate per 100,000 than Sweden. Sweden are at the same figure as Germany 0.3. It is an interesting read.

We have a population roughly six times the size of Sweden we have had over six times as many cases and seven times as many deaths.

EU/EEA and the UK	Sum of Cases	Sum of Deaths	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100 000	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 deaths per 100 000
Spain	936 560	33 775	312.4	3.6
France	834 770	33 303	365.8	1.7
United_Kingdom	689 257	43 429	333.3	1.7
Italy	391 611	36 427	118.8	0.8
Germany	356 387	9 767	71.6	0.3
Netherlands	211 690	6 699	485.5	1.6
Belgium	202 058	10 359	637.6	2.8
Romania	172 516	5 749	208.7	4.3
Czechia	160 112	1 283	770.5	5.5
Poland	157 608	3 440	162.8	2.3
Sweden	103 200	5 918	85.3	0.3
Portugal	95 902	2 149	181.2	1.6
Austria	62 455	901	172.3	1.1
Ireland	47 427	1 841	211.3	0.8
Hungary	44 816	1 109	154.5	3.0
Denmark	34 441	677	94.9	0.4
Bulgaria	28 505	958	102.4	1.7
Slovakia	26 300	71	269.4	0.3
Greece	24 450	490	47.6	0.9
Croatia	23 665	345	159.6	1.3
Norway	16 136	278	37.3	0.1
Finland	13 133	351	53.1	0.1
Slovenia	11 520	153	260.3	0.6
Luxembourg	10 471	133	287.0	1.3
Lithuania	7 041	112	74.6	0.7
Malta	4 282	45	231.6	1.6
Estonia	4 017	68	38.5	0.2
Iceland	3 929	11	313.7	0.3
Latvia	3 204	42	65.6	0.2
Cyprus	2 379	25	67.4	0.3
Liechtenstein	195	1	192.8	0.0
Total	4680037	199909

 

[Shellac]

And for the next step in your indoctrination

 

[Len Rum]

Another high % of the over 65s. Easy to see why deaths are rising now this bleed over has occurred from the younger age groups.

When it was 5/6% the deaths were small in total. They are starting to take off now it is more than double that.

It is obvious that this is the number one priority to try to bring down to stop the NHS being swamped.

If only we had a way to stop that transfer we could contain the worat aspect of this wave over the winter but we do not even seem to be doing anything much at all to even get this key fact across to people and try to stop it escalating.

I remain utterly baffled why there is no messaging direct to the vulnerable - who are as cheesed off and confused as everyone by what they are allowed/not allowed/advised/requested/mandated to do.

So they all just do what politicians do and we are where we are.

Why on Earth is no special messaging using icons they trust being used to make clear what is happening. I do not know a aingle person who trusts or even believes what any politician or government sponsored doctor is saying in the public domain any more. And almost noboody has a real clue about what they are allowed to do.

This just looks so obvious I am starting to wonder if they actually want older people to die to get this thing over with. So have a policy of deliberate incompetence.

Cannot be true, obviously, but their apparent strategy seems hard to understand. As the number one priority right now has to be stopo the vulnerable catching it and becoming the next statistic.

And nothing of the kind is happening.

That's a good point you make about targeted messaging to the vulnerable and elderly.
WHY are they not doing this?

 

[Healdplace]

Regional hospital daily data:

London patients up 457 - 467 (wk ago 314) Ventilators up 80 - 82 (wk ago 52)

Midlands patients up 801 - 823 (wk ago 516) Ventilators down 95 = 91 (wk ago 82)

NE/Yorks patients up 1135 - 1162 (wk ago 847) Ventilators up 107 - 109 (wk ago 97)

And North West:

patients up 1637 - 1703 (wk ago 1167) Ventilators up 152 - 160 (wk ago 133)

The North West had 2890 in hospital at its worst in April and 350 on ventilators so you can see the comparison.

Levels for both patients & ventilators are where they last were in Mid May.

 

[BigJoe#1]

And for the next step in your indoctrination

Just quoting the facts, people can make up their own minds eh?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Stockholm is more densely populated than Manchester though.

Population density has nothing to do with it, the vast majority of Sweden is unpopulated. Most of the population live in cities and towns in the south and east of the country. Some people on here clearly didnt do human geography at school.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Its about more than death figures, if we hadn’t shut down in March the NHs would have been overwhelmed, it came close in some areas even woth lockdown, and many more would have died, not just from covid. Comparing what Sweden did and what we did is pointless.

Why is it pointless, they havent sacrificed their economy and they still have a better death rate than us. And pls dont quote stuff like population density as a reason ans that is just not valid.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The average population density for Sweden is 25.4 inhabitants per km2 (2019).

As of 2019, the population density for the United Kingdom was 275 people per square kilometer.

10 times less.

Utter nonsense, The majority of Sweden is very sparsely populated.

 

[kaz7]

The average maybe, but if we compare cities Marcus has a point.

Ffs you two lol

 

[BigJoe#1]

Ffs you two lol

Hey Kaz, do you want to have a look at the table and make an argument against Swedens approach?

EU/EEA and the UK	Sum of Cases	Sum of Deaths	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100 000	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 deaths per 100 000
Spain	936 560	33 775	312.4	3.6
France	834 770	33 303	365.8	1.7
United_Kingdom	689 257	43 429	333.3	1.7
Italy	391 611	36 427	118.8	0.8
Germany	356 387	9 767	71.6	0.3
Netherlands	211 690	6 699	485.5	1.6
Belgium	202 058	10 359	637.6	2.8
Romania	172 516	5 749	208.7	4.3
Czechia	160 112	1 283	770.5	5.5
Poland	157 608	3 440	162.8	2.3
Sweden	103 200	5 918	85.3	0.3
Portugal	95 902	2 149	181.2	1.6
Austria	62 455	901	172.3	1.1
Ireland	47 427	1 841	211.3	0.8
Hungary	44 816	1 109	154.5	3.0
Denmark	34 441	677	94.9	0.4
Bulgaria	28 505	958	102.4	1.7
Slovakia	26 300	71	269.4	0.3
Greece	24 450	490	47.6	0.9
Croatia	23 665	345	159.6	1.3
Norway	16 136	278	37.3	0.1
Finland	13 133	351	53.1	0.1
Slovenia	11 520	153	260.3	0.6
Luxembourg	10 471	133	287.0	1.3
Lithuania	7 041	112	74.6	0.7
Malta	4 282	45	231.6	1.6
Estonia	4 017	68	38.5	0.2
Iceland	3 929	11	313.7	0.3
Latvia	3 204	42	65.6	0.2
Cyprus	2 379	25	67.4	0.3
Liechtenstein	195	1	192.8	0.0
Total	4680037	199909

 

[blueparrot]

Why is it pointless, they havent sacrificed their economy and they still have a better death rate than us. And pls dont quote stuff like population density as a reason ans that is just not valid.

Because as explained the NHS had to be protected with hospitals filling up, causing other urgent health treatments to be cancelled, whatever the reasons doing nothing wasn’t an option. lockdown was the only way. Please don’t quote nightingales it just isn’t valid.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Because as explained the NHS had to be protected with hospitals filling up, causing other urgent health treatments to be cancelled, whatever the reasons doing nothing wasn’t an option. lockdown was the only way. Please don’t quote nightingales it just isn’t valid.

why are they doing better than us?

 

[M18CTID]

Apologies if posted but has anyone seen that joint statement from Holts, Hydes, Lees, Robinsons, and Thwaites? Makes for very interesting reading:

"In a joint statement published today, pub bosses point out that out of a collective number of 860 pubs in Manchester, around the North West and North Wales, which have been visited by over 8 million people, *there hasn’t been a single case of the virus linked to a visit from one of their pubs*.”

 

[kaz7]

Hey Kaz, do you want to have a look at the table and make an argument against Swedens approach?

EU/EEA and the UK	Sum of Cases	Sum of Deaths	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100 000	14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 deaths per 100 000
Spain	936 560	33 775	312.4	3.6
France	834 770	33 303	365.8	1.7
United_Kingdom	689 257	43 429	333.3	1.7
Italy	391 611	36 427	118.8	0.8
Germany	356 387	9 767	71.6	0.3
Netherlands	211 690	6 699	485.5	1.6
Belgium	202 058	10 359	637.6	2.8
Romania	172 516	5 749	208.7	4.3
Czechia	160 112	1 283	770.5	5.5
Poland	157 608	3 440	162.8	2.3
Sweden	103 200	5 918	85.3	0.3
Portugal	95 902	2 149	181.2	1.6
Austria	62 455	901	172.3	1.1
Ireland	47 427	1 841	211.3	0.8
Hungary	44 816	1 109	154.5	3.0
Denmark	34 441	677	94.9	0.4
Bulgaria	28 505	958	102.4	1.7
Slovakia	26 300	71	269.4	0.3
Greece	24 450	490	47.6	0.9
Croatia	23 665	345	159.6	1.3
Norway	16 136	278	37.3	0.1
Finland	13 133	351	53.1	0.1
Slovenia	11 520	153	260.3	0.6
Luxembourg	10 471	133	287.0	1.3
Lithuania	7 041	112	74.6	0.7
Malta	4 282	45	231.6	1.6
Estonia	4 017	68	38.5	0.2
Iceland	3 929	11	313.7	0.3
Latvia	3 204	42	65.6	0.2
Cyprus	2 379	25	67.4	0.3
Liechtenstein	195	1	192.8	0.0
Total	4680037	199909

So many variables for a comparison but you carry on

 

[Healdplace]

Not a good day for the North West or Greater Manchester. Both regions up.

All ten boroughs had more cases today than yesterday.

 

[blueparrot]

why are they doing better than us?

Lots of reasons and at this point not relevant to us. We have to deal with things as we are today. Starting with protecting hospitals getting too full, especially at a time of year they are already under pressure.
The only question that counts is if we don’t reduce numbers admitted to hospital which are increasing, by introducing restrictions in areas under most pressure, how do we reduce numbers. I’m yet to here an alternative way to cut those numbers needing treatment. Do you have one?

 

[Healdplace]

Will post full scoreboard later after the match but highlights

London 1166 DOWN from 1394

Midlands 1120 DOWN from 1696

North East 1101 DOWN from 1178

Yorkshire 2127 UP from 1755

And North West 4005 UP from 3325

The GM total today was 1761 - up over 300 from yesterday's 1453 and the biggest daily rise in some time

At 44% this is the highest contribution from Greater Manchester to the NW regional total in 10 days.

 

[cleavers]

The average maybe, but if we compare cities Marcus has a point.

Not really.

We have 6 times more people in our capital than Sweden does, their 2nd biggest City would only rank 13th in a list of our urban areas, and their 3rd would rank 27th, a bit smaller than Newport in South Wales, the 4th is about the same size as Burnley in 54th. They have 8 cities above 100k, we have at least 76, which includes places like Lincoln, Burton on Trent and High Wycombe.