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Healdplace said:
Scottish data first

1 death v 0 last wk and 0 wk before

993 cases v 961 last wk and 697 wk before

362 in Greater Glasgow, 294 Lanarkshire, 122 Lothian, 57 Ayr

At 17.1% positive v 17.0% last wk v 12.8% wk before

In hospital 754 (up 40 in day) v 527 last wk v 262 wk before

On ventilatrs 61 (-2) v 36 last wk v 22 wk before
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You are very good at what you do, and Im really grateful for the work you put in. But if you refer to Ayrshire as Ayr one more time...
 
She is being asked about a teacher who was tested on Friday and told the result would be back in 48 hours and was told today it might be another week before it comes back. So he cannot do his job now for up to two weeks as he waits

It is really worrying that our testing is still in places a chaotic mess as we approach winter.
 
grunge said:
I wasn't denying there was an impact, just wanted to know where you got the figures you quoted from as I like to fact check what im reading. neither of those links provide the values you gave.
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The CQC is choc-full of the values and the Salford study can easily be extrapolated. I will admit that I took a short cut with the DM and they do have a history of not
Tim of the Oak said:
Before the last decade, NHS hospital beds were halving every 20 years or so IIRC. The cumulative reduction on beds may have gone too far (although much of the reduction tied in with reduced patient lengths of stay and more care taking place in communities). German hospitals tend to have spare calcite for emergencies.
www.kingsfund.org.uk

The number of hospital beds | The King's Fund

A shift in national policy towards providing care outside of hospital has seen a reduction in the number of hospital beds. How has the number of hospital beds in England changed over time and how does this compare to other countries?
www.kingsfund.org.uk www.kingsfund.org.uk
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Don’t forget though, that a ’bed‘ is only a bed if it is staffed. Vacancies are running at about 9% nationally, because we wouldn‘t train enough staff. The paper you quote says there is frequently over 100% occupancy of beds, which is palpably ridiculous. One thing I hope we get from Covid is a willingness to plan better for the future and improve the NHS so it isn’t operating above 85% most of the time.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
You are very good at what you do, and Im really grateful for the work you put in. But if you refer to Ayrshire as Ayr one more time...
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Sorry - I am posting it as she speaks and Nicola speaks fast!!! That's the reason I am abbreviating.

I do appreciate this - in the same way Greater Manchester is NOT Manchester - which the media simplify it to all the time when they do not actually mean it.

We know what they mean but it still rankles.
 
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johnnytapia said:
Just some of the schools in Stockport that currently have classes/year groups in isolation due to positive cases:

  • St Winifred’s RC Primary, Heaton Mersey
  • Didsbury Road Primary School, Stockport - (Year 1)
  • Adswood Primary, Stockport - (Year 1, Year 2, one class from Y5/6)
  • Cheadle Hulme Primary School, Stockport - (Two classes from Year 2)
  • Cheadle Hulme School, Cheadle Hulme - (Cases confirmed in Years 8, 12 and 13)
  • Broadstone Hall Primary, Stockport - (One class from Year 3 and one class from Year 6)
  • Gatley Primary School, Stockport - (Reception)
  • St Anne's RC High, Stockport - (Year 11)
  • The Kingsway School, Stockport - (Confirmed cases)
  • Great Moor Junior School, Stockport - (Year 3)
  • Werneth School, Stockport - (Confirmed case in Year 7, bubble of 80 students isolating)
  • Marple Hall School, Stockport - (Year 8)
  • Cheadle Hulme High School, Stockport - (Two confirmed cases, plus confirmed case in sixth form)
  • Priestnall School, Stockport - (Year 8)
  • Stockport School, Stockport - (Confirmed case, 19 students isolating)
  • St James' Catholic High, Cheadle - (Years 8, 9, 10 and 11)
  • Ludworth Primary, Marple Bridge - (Case confirmed, Reception isolating along with some Year 1s, some Year 2s and a Year 4 class)
  • Bridge Hall Primary, Stockport - (Case confirmed)
  • Valley School, Stockport - (Staff member isolating)
  • Bolshaw Primary, Stockport - (Year 5/6)
  • Thorn Grove Primary, Cheadle Hulme - (One Year 5 class isolating)
  • Cale Green Primary School, Stockport - (Confirmed case)
  • Harrytown Catholic High School, Stockport - (Year 11)
  • Hazel Grove High School, Stockport - (Two cases confirmed, including one staff member. Some Year 8s isolating)
  • Vale View Primary, Stockport - (Reception, Year 1 and Year 5)
  • St Joseph's Catholic Primary, Stockport - (Case confirmed)
  • Rose Hill Primary, Marple - (Case confirmed)
  • Pownall Green Primary School, Stockport - (Confirmed case)
  • Bramhall High, Stockport - (Case confirmed)
  • Etchells Primary, Stockport - (School closed to all years)
  • Vernon Park Primary, Stockport - (Case confirmed)
  • Reddish Vale High, Stockport - (Case confirmed in Year 11, close contacts isolating)
  • Castle Hill High, Offerton, Stockport - (Case confirmed in Year 12)
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my mrs is a teacher in the same authority as Etchells and the shits going to hit the fan there. Having to close the whole school after a situation that at best was fuckin stupid, or at worse criminal.
Be surprised if jobs arent lost.

and just to add, her school
Isnt on their. Not a single case as yet
 
BlueAnorak said:
I see 57 year old Yasmin Qureshi, MP for Bolton South East has been hospitalised with Covid-19.
Well done Andy Burnham for playing politics.
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You’re not really suggesting she wouldn’t have been in hospital if Manchester had gone into tier 3 last Friday, are you? In fact, hasn’t Bolton been in some form of lockdown for months?
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Haha, I was jesting. Trying to bring a little bit of humour to a really grim subject. Really appreciate your work.

(But seriously, don't do that again ;))
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I know you were. Dont worry. But I will try to remember tomorrow!!!

I used to live on the Wirral and my hubby was one who fought to get the Liverpool postcode removed and replaced by a Chester one instead. And he was a Liverpool fan. But it was impacting on home insurance prices being assumed to be one and the same as there.

Mind you Greater Manchester was almost called Selnec to avoid this issue of being'swamped' by Manchester so it can sometimes be good to just accept it.
 
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Healdplace said:
I know you were. Dont worry. But I will try to remember tomorrow!!!

I used to live on the Wirral and my hubby was one who fought to get the Liverpool postcode removed and replaced by a Chester one instead. And he was a Liverpool fan. But it was impacting on home insurance prices.
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And house prices used to work there really annoys them when you put the in front of Wirral
 
Wales into a 2 week lockdown that will last 4/5 months. Just ridiculous now. Try implementing the measures from the last restrictions properly. Just a police state now because people won't fucking behave.
 
Hit home this morning when a doctor said that he expects the nightingale facilities to be used much more this time around, he said that many of the vunerable people have sadly passed away and as such we are now dealing with much healthier people being hospitalised and in his words " the critical care beds will not be freeing up due to people dying this time around"
 
BlueAnorak said:
The quarantine thing is just astonishing. People have ZERO responsibility for their follow Brits.
- Only 18% of people fully quarantine.
- 30% don't bother at all
- The rest break it once or twice to get important stuff.

We really are fucked. As a nation we are packed with self centered twats who in reality couldn't give a shit about anyone else.
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Or we might be filled with people on zero hours contracts who can’t actually pay the rent or put food on the table if they're off work? There are undoubtedly employers who insist people go in and there will be some who just don’t understand what’s expected.
The question is, what are the government going to do about it? Fining people £10k who haven’t got a pot to piss in isn’t a great idea, finding ways to keep people in, might work better.
Passing tracing details on to the police will just make people not go for a test and that seems a bit pointless. Mind you, if less go for a test, there will be less positives and they can claim their tier system is working. As cases look to be consistently falling in Manchester they’re desperate to do something before admissions and deaths follow at the start of November......
 
abu13 said:
Hit home this morning when a doctor said that he expects the nightingale facilities to be used much more this time around, he said that many of the vunerable people have sadly passed away and as such we are now dealing with much healthier people being hospitalised and in his words " the critical care beds will not be freeing up due to people dying this time around"
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That is something I had never realised but it makes a grim kind of sense on why there could be more - not less - pressure if death numbers are lower as we all hope.

Lengthier stays = longer queues for beds.

May explain the urgency not to get to a capacity crossroads too fast - hence the push on NW areas by government.
 
Healdplace said:
All I am saying is that numbers can be used to tell you what the person using them wants you to believe. And you may well not realise that is happening. Indeed often the journalist or the politician doing it has no idea they are doing it either.
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Good to see the spirit of Darrell Huff lives on ...
ayrshire_blue said:
You are very good at what you do, and Im really grateful for the work you put in. But if you refer to Ayrshire as Ayr one more time...
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... but don't underestimate the "Somerset Park v Rugby Park" type tribal rivalry in Ayrshire!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Or we might be filled with people on zero hours contracts who can’t actually pay the rent or put food on the table if they're off work? There are undoubtedly employers who insist people go in and there will be some who just don’t understand what’s expected.
The question is, what are the government going to do about it? Fining people £10k who haven’t got a pot to piss in isn’t a great idea, finding ways to keep people in, might work better.
Passing tracing details on to the police will just make people not go for a test and that seems a bit pointless. Mind you, if less go for a test, there will be less positives and they can claim their tier system is working. As cases look to be consistently falling in Manchester they’re desperate to do something before admissions and deaths follow at the start of November......
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Could they not spend the 50 million plus that Greater Manchester are being offered to shut down on supporting employees and employers, so self isolation is more tolerable. And some money spent actually enforcing it. Not with fines, but daily visits to check people are coping and offering support.
 
At least in about a months time we will know who got the argument over circuit break nationwide v local lockdowns right. When we see what happens in N Ireland and Wales.

Trouble is if England has called this wrong by then it may mean not a two/three week circuit break but one across much of the Winter given how much harder it will be to stop a runaway train in England than in two comparatively small nations. And they will also likely say England being wide open made the impact in Wales reduced as people will be travelling across the border day to day.

Let's hope both are equally effective.
 
Healdplace said:
And if you look at the situation in the South West - Devon and Cornwall - the area Boris singled out as being so low in numbers that it would be unfair to have a national circuit breaker penalising them - their ventilated Covid patients have risen in the same 7 days from 8 to 21 - a rise of over 150%. Patients also went up from 94 to 161 in this area - the biggest increase week to week in the UK in percentage term of nearly 70%.
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With all due respect, it's this kind of comment and sensationalisation that is the route cause of the scare tactics that so many find problematic.

If the increase was from 1 to 5, say in the same family, would it be right to say there has been a four hundred percent increase? Would it not be better to say 8 out of xxxxx and 21 out of xxxxx?

Lies, damn lies and statistics, we can twist them to fit any narrative but to frighten people in this way is very irresponsible IMO.
 
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