COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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its clearly very contagious and the autumn months have moved more people indoors and windows are being shut. It’s a mess
It does as you say appear to be very contagious however at the same time it appears to be acting in a very random way. Even on here there is enough anecdotal evidence that it both spreads and affects people in different ways. Perhaps there needs to be more research into the factors why some people suffer more than others ( irrespective of the factors identified such as age, ethnicity and co-morbidities). Even within families there are examples of people being infected yet none of the other family members contract it.

On another point the way out of this is going to be a programme of mass testing. I know that they say if you have symptoms you should have a test which then leads to those people self isolating to reduce the spread. However I suspect that a large % of the spread comes from those who are asymptomatic who have no idea that they are ill and therefore carry on as normal. They don't even have to be the idiots but those people will certainly make it far worse.
 
I think lockdowns cause more issues and suffering than the virus itself, and is unsustainable economically. I wish we would find a better solution to fight the virus.
 
The idea that our economy will tank after a 4 week lockdown is utter nonsense. It anything it would give us a stronger Christmas than we will undoubtedly have without one. It's just another excuse those who don't want one trot out just as depression, suicides, jobs were before them. All those problems will be greatly exacerbated by letting the virus run free in the long term.

The wave will continue to spread. Do something now or in 6 weeks time. Do it now then some semblance of a Christmas may be possible and then hopefully it will be new year and the 1st vaccines can be rolled out to frontline workers and care homes. We dithered before, we can't do it again.
 
The idea that our economy will tank after a 4 week lockdown is utter nonsense. It anything it would give us a stronger Christmas than we will undoubtedly have without one. It's just another excuse those who don't want one trot out just as depression, suicides, jobs were before them. All those problems will be greatly exacerbated by letting the virus run free in the long term.

The wave will continue to spread. Do something now or in 6 weeks time. Do it now then some semblance of a Christmas may be possible and then hopefully it will be new year and the 1st vaccines can be rolled out to frontline workers and care homes. We dithered before, we can't do it again
oh dear, its not just 4 weeks is it. its been over 6 months of contraction already. And very significant contraction. You somehow seem to think in those 6 months we have been doing well?
 
oh dear, its not just 4 weeks is it. its been over 6 months of contraction already. And very significant contraction. You somehow seem to think in those 6 months we have been doing well?
It will get worse. A lockdown will have to happen at some point. Not long ago it was single figure deaths, now it's mid 300s. remember that data analyst that was getting so many likes on here saying all the scientists were wrong? what by Christmas with nothing done? 600 a day? 700? It will not go away. It will spread down south and they will 100% have a lockdown then.

Instead we have posts on here saying we should follow the 25% minority of sage advice. You offer no solutions. We are walking into the same mistakes we made 8 months ago.

100s and 100s of people, real people with families are dying everyday. It will get worse while we pontificate. We will, just like France and Germany have to have another lockdown at some point. Have it now. Save lives and maybe have some semblance of a Christmas.
 
Here are the total number of deaths and Pop Score like number of deaths v 100,000 population. Over the pandemic.

GM Borough: Total Deaths over pandemic ///`As scored per 100K pop (higher the number worse the death rate)

Bolton 346 /// 120.3

Bury 239 /// 125.1

Manchester 429 /// 77.6

Oldham 248 /// 104.6

Rochdale 259 /// 116.5

Salford 301 /// 116.3

Stockport 303 /// 103.3

Tameside 373 /// 164.7

Trafford 229 /// 96.5

Wigan 397 /// 120.8

I make that 3124 of the 45, 675 in GM.

Trafford again comes out very well and Manchester has the most deaths but the lowest rate.

The rate for Tameside appears to be the highest in Britain btw. I could not find anywhere with a number higher than or even close to 164.7.

Tameside has a population of 222,874 versus Manchester 533, 230

Trafford has 243, 576 versus Stockport 290, 500.
Surprised Oldham is doing 'so well' being so high in cases pop.
 
It will get worse. A lockdown will have to happen at some point. Not long ago it was single figure deaths, now it's mid 300s. remember that data analyst that was getting so many likes on here saying all the scientists were wrong? what by Christmas with nothing done? 600 a day? 700? It will not go away. It will spread down south and they will 100% have a lockdown then.

Instead we have posts on here saying we should follow the 25% minority of sage advice. You offer no solutions. We are walking into the same mistakes we made 8 months ago.

100s and 100s of people, real people with families are dying everyday. It will get worse while we pontificate. We will, just like France and Germany have to have another lockdown at some point. Have it now. Save lives and maybe have some semblance of a Christmas.

Warrington hospital announced last night that it is 98% full so we are going to have to do something. 40 people died in Warrington hospital last week from Covid. A big number compared to where we were in the summer. Last weeks deaths make up around 20% of all deaths since March.
 
The idea that our economy will tank after a 4 week lockdown is utter nonsense. It anything it would give us a stronger Christmas than we will undoubtedly have without one. It's just another excuse those who don't want one trot out just as depression, suicides, jobs were before them. All those problems will be greatly exacerbated by letting the virus run free in the long term.

The wave will continue to spread. Do something now or in 6 weeks time. Do it now then some semblance of a Christmas may be possible and then hopefully it will be new year and the 1st vaccines can be rolled out to frontline workers and care homes. We dithered before, we can't do it again.

I imagine you work in a fortunate secure job which isn't impacted by the pandemic then "I'm alright Jack" and haven't faced redundancy, furlough or reduced hours due to the Pandemic. It's fucking demoralizing facing uncertainty and whether you will still be in the house you live in a few months time or if your business will still be functional. It's naive you think businesses won't suffer from a further 4 weeks without some form of revenue. Have you actually considered seasonal stock holding for some businesses or the booze/food which will go out of date from sudden closure.

Footfall is massively down on the high street and many shops were closed for months earlier on in the year as were pubs and restaurants. It's unlikely there will be a furlough scheme either to support non-essential businesses that will have to close during a 2nd lockdown.

Just like the first lock down, middle class-tossers with no understanding of the economy are calling for a lockdown (whilst they remain on full pay) and still expecting supermarket workers on minimum wage to serve them at the Aldi checkout as they pack their weekly shop in to a Waitrose reusable bag.
 
I imagine you work in a fortunate secure job which isn't impacted by the pandemic then "I'm alright Jack" and haven't faced redundancy, furlough or reduced hours due to the Pandemic. It's fucking demoralizing facing uncertainty and whether you will still be in the house you live in a few months time or if your business will still be functional. It's naive you think businesses won't suffer from a further 4 weeks without some form of revenue. Have you actually considered seasonal stock holding for some businesses or the booze/food which will go out of date from sudden closure.

Footfall is massively down on the high street and many shops were closed for months earlier on in the year as were pubs and restaurants. It's unlikely there will be a furlough scheme either to support non-essential businesses that will have to close during a 2nd lockdown.

Just like the first lock down, middle class-tossers with no understanding of the economy are calling for a lockdown (whilst they remain on full pay) and still expecting supermarket workers on minimum wage to serve them at the Aldi checkout as they pack their weekly shop in to a Waitrose reusable bag.
No i am on immune suppressants and in the most high risk category. I've been stuck in my house for 8 months with no end in sight. I wish my biggest worry was about my job ffs. "i'm alright Jack" why do people who can't argue against good points always have to attack?
 
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It will get worse. A lockdown will have to happen at some point. Not long ago it was single figure deaths, now it's mid 300s. remember that data analyst that was getting so many likes on here saying all the scientists were wrong? what by Christmas with nothing done? 600 a day? 700? It will not go away. It will spread down south and they will 100% have a lockdown then.

Instead we have posts on here saying we should follow the 25% minority of sage advice. You offer no solutions. We are walking into the same mistakes we made 8 months ago.

100s and 100s of people, real people with families are dying everyday. It will get worse while we pontificate. We will, just like France and Germany have to have another lockdown at some point. Have it now. Save lives and maybe have some semblance of a Christmas.
The problem is people like their liberal freedoms. i suggested that track and trace phone apps should be made compulsory and that was met with distain and silly arguments against on here yesterday. Someone told a story a few days ago on here that when the NHS phone app was sent to their fellow workers for them to use, a lot of them just deleted it straight away. Yesterday I sugested that all those who are vulnerable should have to take extra precautions and sacrifices and only meet people who have tested negative, many are already taking these precautions, but again that was met with arguments along the lines of teary granny not seeing her grandchildrenso that wouldnt be fair. Alot of people in western society are just not prepared to have their liberal values and freedoms compromised. Even for the greater good of the masses and the economy. Another 4 week lockdown will do little without closing schools imo, and then we will need another one in January and another in March April. Pretty obvious this virus has become more contagious the last couple of months. I think we need to be thinking along slightly different lines and people need to be told not asked. Politcians need to work together not against each other. Starmer Stugeon etc need to be at least brought into cabinet meetings. The message needs to be much clearer.
 
I imagine you work in a fortunate secure job which isn't impacted by the pandemic then "I'm alright Jack" and haven't faced redundancy, furlough or reduced hours due to the Pandemic. It's fucking demoralizing facing uncertainty and whether you will still be in the house you live in a few months time or if your business will still be functional. It's naive you think businesses won't suffer from a further 4 weeks without some form of revenue. Have you actually considered seasonal stock holding for some businesses or the booze/food which will go out of date from sudden closure.

Footfall is massively down on the high street and many shops were closed for months earlier on in the year as were pubs and restaurants. It's unlikely there will be a furlough scheme either to support non-essential businesses that will have to close during a 2nd lockdown.

Just like the first lock down, middle class-tossers with no understanding of the economy are calling for a lockdown (whilst they remain on full pay) and still expecting supermarket workers on minimum wage to serve them at the Aldi checkout as they pack their weekly shop in to a Waitrose reusable bag.
I think everyone understands the consequences associated with another lockdown, but clearly, what is on the table atm isn't working and the delta in infection rate change is becoming critical.

The government will have its hand forced sooner or later in a desperate attempt to gain some control of this virus as we enter the start of winter.

No one "wants" a country lockdown, but comparing that to the consequences of losing further control of the virus, many see it as a viable option.

All we can hope is should it come to that, and I personally think it is inevitable, then the Government can financially support those needing it.

Horrible times.
 
The problem is people like their liberal freedoms. i suggested that track and trace phone apps should be made compulsory and that was met with distain and silly arguments against on here yesterday. Someone told a story a few days ago on here that when the NHS phone app was sent to their fellow workers for them to use, a lot of them just deleted it straight away. Yesterday I sugested that all those who are vulnerable should have to take extra precautions and sacrifices and only meet people who have tested negative, many are already taking these precautions, but again that was met with arguments along the lines of teary granny not seeing her grandchildrenso that wouldnt be fair. Alot of people in western society are just not prepared to have their liberal values and freedoms compromised. Even for the greater good of the masses and the economy. Another 4 week lockdown will do little without closing schools imo, and then we will need another one in January and another in March April. Pretty obvious this virus has become more contagious the last couple of months. I think we need to be thinking along slightly different lines and people need to be told not asked. Politcians need to work together not against each other. Starmer Stugeon etc need to be at least brought into cabinet meetings. The message needs to be much clearer.
In a perfect world we could end this pandemic ourselves. We never will for reason you state. None of that changes the fact that without intervention the daily death toll will rise and rise. When they are faceless it's easy to see other negatives in this pandemic because there are many but people are dying and will continue to die in ever increasing numbers.

I have throughout this pandemic felt that until a vaccine arrives we should mitigate it using every means nessacary, including lockdowns. I have also felt that if the first vaccines fail then we may have no choice but to entertain different ideas of how to proceed as we can't lockdown forever. That time is not now though imo. By all accounts the first vaccines should be here for frontline workers and the vulnerable in late Dec/Jan. We should do all we can to reduce deaths until then
 
The problem is people like their liberal freedoms. i suggested that track and trace phone apps should be made compulsory and that was met with distain and silly arguments against on here yesterday. Someone told a story a few days ago on here that when the NHS phone app was sent to their fellow workers for them to use, a lot of them just deleted it straight away. Yesterday I sugested that all those who are vulnerable should have to take extra precautions and sacrifices and only meet people who have tested negative, many are already taking these precautions, but again that was met with arguments along the lines of teary granny not seeing her grandchildrenso that wouldnt be fair. Alot of people in western society are just not prepared to have their liberal values and freedoms compromised. Even for the greater good of the masses and the economy. Another 4 week lockdown will do little without closing schools imo, and then we will need another one in January and another in March April. Pretty obvious this virus has become more contagious the last couple of months. I think we need to be thinking along slightly different lines and people need to be told not asked. Politcians need to work together not against each other. Starmer Stugeon etc need to be at least brought into cabinet meetings. The message needs to be much clearer.
I don't think it was disdain, more a reality of what would likely happen wrt mandating I phones.

The vulnerable obviously has a lot of definitions and I personally cannot see your proposals being viable as it would encapsulate a lot of people who are needed to fight this virus.

Asking the elderly to be coupled up for longer periods as they watch on tv, thousands simply ignoring the current rules doesn't give confidence that the younger ones are mature enough to simply get on with life and help manage the virus to an acceptable level (whatever that might be) in the shortest possible time frames.

I know you and I have opposing views on this, and I appreciate something needs to change, but I'm not sure your proposals would be an option considered by Government.
 
You can argue about what more needs to be done but is there much more that can be done which will have a meaningful impact? I don't know.

I would like to know now in which age groups this is spreading, and what activities are responsible. I'd like to know from the epidemiology what patterns of behaviour are currently responsible. I think we maybe at the point where lockdowns are not going to have much more effect because I know that I could not reduce my social interactions any further. Can government reduce social interactions much further or most importantly the social interactions which are currently spreading this virus (whatever they maybe)?

Operation moon-shot? Forget who is fronting it, he almost certainly didn't think of it. Is it logistically possible, and do the tests work? That surely is the only issue. China and South Korea mass test. Is it beyond us to do this? It has been but we are now at 450k tests a day, and there's supposed to be a vast arsenal of new rapid tests. I know what's claimed for them but do they work? If they do then that's hopeful.

And then we have the wait for the US elections. because after that the political clouds over the US vaccine trials lift and we just get the questions of do they work or not.
 
Been experiencing the symptoms last night. Prescotto tasted like vinegar, bacon this morning tasted like rubber and my smell has defiently gone up the creek. I’ve woken up to a headache and sore throat as well as a coughing episode that lasted ten minutes.

just spoken to work and they said to self isolate until I get a negative test. At least if I do have Covid-19, I can do something about it and make some video vlogs detailing my daily symptoms. That way others can learn what to look out for and can also see what it can do to you if I have got this killer virus.
 
The problem is people like their liberal freedoms. i suggested that track and trace phone apps should be made compulsory and that was met with distain and silly arguments against on here yesterday. Someone told a story a few days ago on here that when the NHS phone app was sent to their fellow workers for them to use, a lot of them just deleted it straight away. Yesterday I sugested that all those who are vulnerable should have to take extra precautions and sacrifices and only meet people who have tested negative, many are already taking these precautions, but again that was met with arguments along the lines of teary granny not seeing her grandchildrenso that wouldnt be fair. Alot of people in western society are just not prepared to have their liberal values and freedoms compromised. Even for the greater good of the masses and the economy. Another 4 week lockdown will do little without closing schools imo, and then we will need another one in January and another in March April. Pretty obvious this virus has become more contagious the last couple of months. I think we need to be thinking along slightly different lines and people need to be told not asked. Politcians need to work together not against each other. Starmer Stugeon etc need to be at least brought into cabinet meetings. The message needs to be much clearer.
If you were in a collective group, a desert island, or a hospital ward and a virus entered your population, quarantine is about the only defence you have. I understand social protests by groups who are facing impoverishment and this is a problem because decisions are made by officials who exclude people from information, decision-making and power but ultimately quarantine is a sound medical strategy.
 
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