COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Ban-jani]

I agree. The numbers are upsetting, but so would the number of cancer deaths every day, or road deaths, or victims of domestic violence, or still births. But we don’t hear about those on a daily basis. If we did we would become desensitised to those too. Personally I think the huge and rapid rise in deaths has jolted people a little. Maybe not made them any more caring about others, but maybe more frightened for themselves.

When I read 981 the other day I thought I’d read it wrong and took another glance.

Harrowing number that hasn’t made me numb.

 

[artfuldodger]

But did it have a happy ending???

 

[Tim of the Oak]

But did it have a happy ending???

I think Max is still out there lol

 

[ayrshire_blue]

It's my birthday in January

The queue was huge though

 

[manchester blue]

No specific answer.

It builds an immunity over about 3 weeks, with (I would guess) very little at all for the first week. "How immune" is going to vary from person to person.

"Does it stop you spreading it" - nobody knows. There's no evidence that it stops transmission, but there's no evidence that it doesn't. Too soon to tell basically.

I’m sure I read that it will not stop you getting C19 but it will stop you from becoming ill. You can still spread it as well after you are vaccinated.

 

[trumpton]

A friend works at MRI.
She and all her staff on duty last weekend were vaccinated, and she tells me all the hospital were as well.
This weekend they are vaccinating the rest of the duty staff who are on this rota.

By the New Year they will have all had their first dose.

That's how it should be. The only person my mum has come into contact with besides myself are NHS workers. I'm negative and she tested positive on day 6 in hospital.

Oh, and she was told by the nurses to ignore track and trace phone calls - hospitals would collapse if staff had to self isolate.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Is Ayshire not all in Tier 4, or are you wintering in your holiday gîte on the Isles of Scilly?

It's Ayrshire alright. No idea why it was opened, think they sell batteries. Maybe those count as essential?

 

[Mayor West]

What else can we do though other than say 'that's a shame' when hearing about the death count? I'm certainly not going to sit at home in a dark room mourning people I dont know!

 

[squirtyflower]

That's how it should be. The only person my mum has come into contact with besides myself are NHS workers. I'm negative and she tested positive on day 6 in hospital.

Oh, and she was told by the nurses to ignore track and trace phone calls - hospitals would collapse if staff had to self isolate.

I know of several organisations that have said ignore the track and trace and use their common sense instead.

 

[hammocity]

Yep. Its a tough one. Also a different era.
I know without school/swimming/brownies/martial arts/footy etc my 2 little ones struggled.

Fair play, you are seeing it first hand, I'm going back nearly 50 years, I feel like a Dinosaur now.

 

[Healdplace]

Okay all of you mad that Liverpool is not tier 4 look away now.

It is utterly absurd and today's numbers show it - though they have been doing so for two weeks and the government must have seen them and chosen to play politics not save lives.

Heads really should roll on this.

Greater Manchester had a tough day. Up to 1365 cases. Every borough apart from Bolton and Rochdale over 100. And Manchester at its highest in weeks at 311.

Yet STILL the GM % of the NW total today FELL to just 29% - lowest since Summer - because everywhere else in the NW is doing worse.

Including particularly Merseyside.

Liverpool at 356 cases and a Pop Score rise of 81 obliterated anywhere in Greater Manchester and has tripled in the last fortnight.

The Wirral at 349 and a Pop rise of 148 (triple anywhere in GM) also beat even Manchester.

It is nothing less than dereliction of duty for this government to treat Merseyside preferentially.

The numbers have been heading this way and I have been flagging them up here daily

If they try and pretend this came on them by surprise and react belatedly.

I had better not say what they are in here, Make your own mind up.

 

[twosips]

What else can we do though other than say 'that's a shame' when hearing about the death count? I'm certainly not going to sit at home in a dark room mourning people I dont know!

No one's asking for tears. My point is that if lots of people dying becomes the norm right now, more people will die as people give less of a shit. I get normalisation as a coping mechanism, but fuck me right now its incredibly dangerous.

 

[Ban-jani]

Okay all of you mad that Liverpool is not tier 4 look away now.

It is utterly absurd and today's numbers show it - though they have been doing so for two weeks and the government must have seen them and chosen to play politics not save lives.

Heads really should roll on this.

Greater Manchester had a tough day. Up to 1365 cases. Every borough apart from Bolton and Rochdale over 100. And Manchester at its highest in weeks at 311.

Yet STILL the GM % of the NW total today FELL to just 29% - lowest since Summer - because everywhere else in the NW is doing worse.

Including particularly Merseyside.

Liverpool at 356 cases and a Pop Score rise of 81 obliterated anywhere in Greater Manchester and has tripled in the last fortnight.

The Wirral at 349 and a Pop rise of 148 (triple anywhere in GM) also beat even Manchester.

It is nothing less than dereliction of duty for this government to treat Merseyside preferentially.

The numbers have been heading this way and I have been flagging them up here daily

If they try and pretend this came on them by surprise and react belatedly.

I had better not say what they are in here, Make your own mind up.

The whole bloody country should be in lockdown.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Fair play, you are seeing it first hand, I'm going back nearly 50 years, I feel like a Dinosaur now.

Mate im not far behind

 

[kaz7]

The UK has recorded 55,892 coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours - the highest figure on record.

Tuesday's figure of 53,135 cases was the previous highest since the pandemic began.

The number of deaths reported today is 964.

Public Health England's medical director Dr Yvonne Doyle made a passionate plea in response to the latest figures and ahead of New Year's Eve, urging everyone not to go out.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Okay all of you mad that Liverpool is not tier 4 look away now.

It is utterly absurd and today's numbers show it - though they have been doing so for two weeks and the government must have seen them and chosen to play politics not save lives.

Heads really should roll on this.

Greater Manchester had a tough day. Up to 1365 cases. Every borough apart from Bolton and Rochdale over 100. And Manchester at its highest in weeks at 311.

Yet STILL the GM % of the NW total today FELL to just 29% - lowest since Summer - because everywhere else in the NW is doing worse.

Including particularly Merseyside.

Liverpool at 356 cases and a Pop Score rise of 81 obliterated anywhere in Greater Manchester and has tripled in the last fortnight.

The Wirral at 349 and a Pop rise of 148 (triple anywhere in GM) also beat even Manchester.

It is nothing less than dereliction of duty for this government to treat Merseyside preferentially.

The numbers have been heading this way and I have been flagging them up here daily

If they try and pretend this came on them by surprise and react belatedly.

I had better not say what they are in here, Make your own mind up.

You only have to look at there crook of a mayor to start thinking what deals went down

 

[Mayor West]

No one's asking for tears. My point is that if lots of people dying becomes the norm right now, more people will die as people give less of a shit. I get normalisation as a coping mechanism, but fuck me right now its incredibly dangerous.

It is. I went out for a walk today and thought back to walking during the first lockdown, and I felt almost at risk just walking on the canal paths. Now though it's as if the virus doesn't exist and as you say I've become desensitized to the whole thing, not just the data.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

How about Card Factory?

All 473 of them in Kilmarnock were closed, happily.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I’m sure I read that it will not stop you getting C19 but it will stop you from becoming ill. You can still spread it as well after you are vaccinated.

The first part is definitely right. You can catch it because you can breathe it in - the vaccine won't stop that.

After that, the virus will try to get into cells to replicate itself, and the body will try to fight back; a stronger response to vaccine will allow the fightback to be better, but I think that if the viral load is too high, you could still get ill as there is too much virus to be beaten off. There's no real way to know how it affects any particular individual.

This is where the second vaccine dose is beneficial as it reinforces the 'teaching' of the body to fight back by creating antibodies; the first dose stimulates an initial amount of teaching, but the science says that the second dose is necessary at some point after the first to reach a higher level of average defence.

In terms of spreading, I think they've said that they don't know yet. It is very likely that if it's in saliva/lung cavity, then you'll breathe it back out. That comes back to how much virus there is in you.

 

[Healdplace]

The whole bloody country should be in lockdown.

Everyone with sense knows that. And that it will happen.

Delaying it is not far short of criminal imo and has been for weeks since it was long obvious and those who chose not to do it to 'make people happy' because it was Christmas will in due course face a terrible comeuppance.

My fear is we have weeks of rising tragic numbers still to come because of that delay.

And to those coming on late at night like they do sometimes to say hindsight. Who could predict? Etc.

This is no such thing. Read the thread. You will see many here calling for this and explaining why and what would happen if it did not occur - all over the past month.

This is a football forum not renowned for experts on science or politics. But if we saw it long ago and knew what would happen if the wrong choice was made then there are no good excuses for those who gambled with the lives of the people they supposedly serve.