VAR - 2020/21

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The offside was very fishy. If there was some transparency and we could hear the conversations we could put some of this to bed. You know, like you can in every other sport. But not football. Wonder why?
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
The offside was very fishy. If there was some transparency and we could hear the conversations we could put some of this to bed. You know, like you can in every other sport. But not football. Wonder why?
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Agree about hearing the officials conversations. However its worse than that. Offside is always shown. Even if its for the Bamford offside which was just his sleeve offside. Unless its for us and they need to find a reason to disallow a goal. Then all of a sudden it just doesn't appear.

It should be fully transparent so every one is clear why a decision was made. Funny when it comes to City its suddenly not shown but we have to accept the decision!
 
Hart of the Matter said:
Like to see that hammer blue cnt on here telling us it has prevented diving andd cut out mistakes. I really hate that fckr for supporting the thing that has killed the game for me. Mind you, half of Blue Moon seems to be up his arse, so what do I know....?
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Is that abuse really necessary?

would you call someone face to face that just because they have a different opinion?

Are you only happy if everyone on a forum just shouts in a echo chamber of ‘fuck VAR’ ‘it’s killing the game’ ‘corrupt bullshit, I’m never watching again ‘ Is that the only opinions allowed or you get called a c*nt.

I’ve gave perfectly reasonable and honest views on VAR and have stated countless times I’m not a ‘lover’ of it and it’s far from perfect over and over again. But I do stick by that I don’t want refs making blind decisions and if they can get help in seeing decisions they missed then that makes a lot of sense.

Mike dean + Mason are rightly getting absolute pelters by everyone - because he is getting decisions wrong despite having the chances of watching replays of the incident, I’d much rather that then the fact he could have hid behind the fact that’s what he saw in a split second.
It’s not VAR that got the decisions incorrect, it’s the crap refs that still deem it to be red despite seeing the replays.

YouGov poll :
  • 8 per cent want to keep using VAR as it is used now.
  • 74 per cent say keep using VAR, but change the ways it is used.
  • 15 per cent want to stop using VAR entirely

I’m in the 74% and you’re in the 15% , you must hate a lot of people supporting this ‘killing of the game’.

either way I try and give a honest and balanced view and happy to debate with anyone in a nice respectful manner, never take it personal. It’s probably why half the forum is ‘up my arse’

but guess you still think I’m some FA fan boy c*nt or something.

hey ho and well done stuffing the reds earlier. Enjoyed that.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Is that abuse really necessary?

would you call someone face to face that just because they have a different opinion?

Are you only happy if everyone on a forum just shouts in a echo chamber of ‘fuck VAR’ ‘it’s killing the game’ ‘corrupt bullshit, I’m never watching again ‘ Is that the only opinions allowed or you get called a c*nt.

I’ve gave perfectly reasonable and honest views on VAR and have stated countless times I’m not a ‘lover’ of it and it’s far from perfect over and over again. But I do stick by that I don’t want refs making blind decisions and if they can get help in seeing decisions they missed then that makes a lot of sense.

Mike dean is rightly getting absolute pelters by everyone - because he is getting decisions wrong despite having the chances of watching replays of the incident, I’d much rather that then the fact he could have hid behind the fact that’s what he saw in a split second.
It’s not VAR that got the decisions incorrect, it’s the crap refs that still deem it to be red despite seeing the replays.

YouGov poll :
  • 8 per cent want to keep using VAR as it is used now.
  • 74 per cent say keep using VAR, but change the ways it is used.
  • 15 per cent want to stop using VAR entirely

I’m in the 74% and you’re in the 15% , you must hate a lot of people supporting this ‘killing of the game’ anyhow , I’m sure you still think what I deem as a fairly balanced view means I’m some FA fan boy c*nt or something.
hey ho and well done stuffing the reds earlier.
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4-1 today
Dives not reviewed or given
Dubious offside with no evidence of a check (yet again at Klansnfeild)
Yes I would tell anyone face to face.
Would you keep spouting such crap face to face?
Has it cut out diving as you said it would?
One of our greatest results today and I didn't celebrate a single goal in the way I used to thanks to you and your kind.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is that abuse really necessary?

would you call someone face to face that just because they have a different opinion?

Are you only happy if everyone on a forum just shouts in a echo chamber of ‘fuck VAR’ ‘it’s killing the game’ ‘corrupt bullshit, I’m never watching again ‘ Is that the only opinions allowed or you get called a c*nt.

I’ve gave perfectly reasonable and honest views on VAR and have stated countless times I’m not a ‘lover’ of it and it’s far from perfect over and over again. But I do stick by that I don’t want refs making blind decisions and if they can get help in seeing decisions they missed then that makes a lot of sense.

Mike dean is rightly getting absolute pelters by everyone - because he is getting decisions wrong despite having the chances of watching replays of the incident, I’d much rather that then the fact he could have hid behind the fact that’s what he saw in a split second.
It’s not VAR that got the decisions incorrect, it’s the crap refs that still deem it to be red despite seeing the replays.

YouGov poll :
  • 8 per cent want to keep using VAR as it is used now.
  • 74 per cent say keep using VAR, but change the ways it is used.
  • 15 per cent want to stop using VAR entirely

I’m in the 74% and you’re in the 15% , you must hate a lot of people supporting this ‘killing of the game’.

either way I try and give a honest and balanced view and happy to debate with anyone in a nice manner, never take it personal. It’s probably why half the forum is ‘up my arse’

but guess you still think I’m some FA fan boy c*nt or something.

hey ho and well done stuffing the reds earlier.
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Over half of fans surveyed by YouGov thought it had “done badly” with nearly 2/3rds saying it made the game less enjoyable

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Hart of the Matter said:
Dubious offside with no evidence of a check (yet again at Klansnfeild)
Yes I would tell anyone face to face.
Would you keep spouting such crap face to face?
Has it cut out diving as you said it would?
One of our greatest results today and I didn't celebrate a single goal in the way I used to thanks to you and your kind.
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Are you not more Angry at Man City and Pep Guardiola for voting in favour for VAR to the PL ? Is Pep a c*nt for wanting it ?

what have I actually done wrong. I don’t work for FIFA or the FA and have never had a say whether or not it can be introduced, I’m just someone on a forum that try’s to have a balanced debate about VAR without resorting to pathetic abuse.

to answer your point. On diving. I think clear dives with zero contact has dramatically decreased, loads in fact. There has been a few given this season and that Martial one is farcical, I’m not going to defend that at all. That’s not on me neither all the future controversy that will always happen. I would love a system in place that can eradicate diving all together - I don’t think it’s possible as so much of it is based on perception and it’s why you have so many pundits and fans argue whether it is or not.

if there was no VAR and a ref gives a penalty for a blatant dive , should I get angry and abusive at you and say ‘if we had VAR a ref wouldn’t have given the penalty’ . It works both ways.

No system is ever going to be perfect. So you can live in a world of anger and moan and moan at every decision or you can try and embrace change and give a balanced perspective of what can improve.

An improvement for me would be to put Mason + Dean on trial to answer for there ridiculous decisions of late ! Even aided by the help of clear replays they come to those conclusions.

I totally understand the frustration and concerns of VAR, I’m not a massive fan or advocate and it does take something out the game. Why I have to repeat this over and over I’m not sure.

but I don’t want it scraped. I don’t want refs making blind decisions and getting far more ludicrous decisions incorrect. Sorry I have that view and that makes me a c*nt.

VAR is being used all over the world now, it seems to be progressing in other countries and has it reduced attendances and the love of the game ? For you it has which is a shame. For many others it hasn’t at all.

but I agree with the vast majority outside of this forum that law changes to the game and better officiating can make VAR really improve the game. Ultimately that’s what most want.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Are you not more Angry at Man City and Pep Guardiola for voting in favour for VAR to the PL ? Is Pep a c*nt for wanting it ?

what have I actually done wrong. I don’t work for FIFA or the FA and have never had a say whether or not it can be introduced, I’m just someone on a forum that try’s to have a balanced debate about VAR without resorting to pathetic abuse.

to answer your point. On diving. I think clear dives with zero contact has dramatically decreased, loads in fact. There has been a few given this season and that Martial one is farcical, I’m not going to defend that at all. That’s not on me neither all the future controversy that will always happen. I would love a system in place that can eradicate diving all together - I don’t think it’s possible as so much of it is based on perception and it’s why you have so many pundits and fans argue whether it is or not.

if there was no VAR and a ref gives a penalty for a blatant dive , should I get angry and abusive at you and say ‘if we had VAR a ref wouldn’t have given the penalty’ . It works both ways.

No system is ever going to be perfect. So you can live in a world of anger and moan and moan at every decision or you can try and embrace change and give a balanced perspective of what can improve.

An improvement for me would be to put Mason + Dean on trial to answer for there ridiculous decisions of late ! Even aided by the help of clear replays they come to those conclusions.

I totally understand the frustration and concerns of VAR, I’m not a massive fan or advocate and it does take something out the game. Why I have to repeat this over and over I’m not sure.

but I don’t want it scraped. I don’t want refs making blind decisions and getting far more ludicrous decisions incorrect. Sorry I have that view and that makes me a c*nt.

VAR is being used all over the world now, it seems to be progressing in other countries and has it reduced attendances and the love of the game ? For you it has which is a shame. For many others it hasn’t at all.

but I agree with the vast majority outside of this forum that law changes to the game and better officiating can make VAR really improve the game. Ultimately that’s what most want.
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If VAR doesn’t improve and Dean et al continue to make terrible calls I presume you will join the call for it to be scrapped?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Are you not more Angry at Man City and Pep Guardiola for voting in favour for VAR to the PL ? Is Pep a c*nt for wanting it ?

what have I actually done wrong. I don’t work for FIFA or the FA and have never had a say whether or not it can be introduced, I’m just someone on a forum that try’s to have a balanced debate about VAR without resorting to pathetic abuse.

to answer your point. On diving. I think clear dives with zero contact has dramatically decreased, loads in fact. There has been a few given this season and that Martial one is farcical, I’m not going to defend that at all. That’s not on me neither all the future controversy that will always happen. I would love a system in place that can eradicate diving all together - I don’t think it’s possible as so much of it is based on perception and it’s why you have so many pundits and fans argue whether it is or not.

if there was no VAR and a ref gives a penalty for a blatant dive , should I get angry and abusive at you and say ‘if we had VAR a ref wouldn’t have given the penalty’ . It works both ways.

No system is ever going to be perfect. So you can live in a world of anger and moan and moan at every decision or you can try and embrace change and give a balanced perspective of what can improve.

An improvement for me would be to put Mason + Dean on trial to answer for there ridiculous decisions of late ! Even aided by the help of clear replays they come to those conclusions.

I totally understand the frustration and concerns of VAR, I’m not a massive fan or advocate and it does take something out the game. Why I have to repeat this over and over I’m not sure.

but I don’t want it scraped. I don’t want refs making blind decisions and getting far more ludicrous decisions incorrect. Sorry I have that view and that makes me a c*nt.

VAR is being used all over the world now, it seems to be progressing in other countries and has it reduced attendances and the love of the game ? For you it has which is a shame. For many others it hasn’t at all.

but I agree with the vast majority outside of this forum that law changes to the game and better officiating can make VAR really improve the game. Ultimately that’s what most want.
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Can’t disagree, I hate VAR, but our game is that corrupt in a perverse way I’d hate it to be scrapped now, imagine how much more these bent refs will get away with, and then hide behind the old it’s a hard job, got to admire them blah blah blah. This season has highlighted how shit they are, even if it hasn’t delivered real time decisions. I bet they rue the day it was agreed to now,
Expect things to get worse for the Hammers as you won’t have a cat in hells chance of taking 4th spot they will see to that.
As for us I think they will start giving us things or stop taking from us now they have failed in this seasons mission, thereby it will appear all is fair and above board.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
If VAR doesn’t improve and Dean et al continue to make terrible calls I presume you will join the call for it to be scrapped?
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I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.

what would you prefer -

A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.

or

B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.

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Was VAR working at Anfield ?

Have we seen any evidence that VAR was working.

I don't buy papers etc so I havent seen any pictures of the off side goal yet , so I guess I have to believe VAR was working. Us fans are treated like shit,

The fa/ refs "oh shit dont show the off side goal pictures as it looks on side. No one will question us not showing lads its Anfield." Allegedly.
 
Thought Stones was offside as watched live, but the replay showed it was close. Warranted a further check I feel, but seemingly the var referee took a first look and saw no reason to question the decision. But for the fans, for transparency and fairness, does we need to see the lines to show their thinking? Even if they are drawing lines from different parts of the arm or foot, and not being too picky about which frame to use when the ball actually is passed on?

I read when VAR was first implemented that Old Trafford and Anfield were the only premier league ground not to be able to provide a pitchside monitor for referees. Aside from the idiocy of that situation, is that still the case now? If so does that affecting decisions, not being about to refer it to the tv for the referee to review?
 
Commentators on Stones' 'goal'...'it looked offside but VAR will look at it' a very short time later 'oh VAR not looking at it as it was a clear offside but it looked very close to me'. No surprise it wasn't looked at. I thought all 'goals' were looked at by VAR no matter the circumstances?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.

what would you prefer -

A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.

or

B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.

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Can I have some of your meds please.
You give 2 choices but neither happened. The third choice is Salah dives the gives it but reviews it on the monitor and then books the cheat for diving. There is no point in having VAR if they agree with the ref in virtually every instance.
Why was the offside goal ruled out? Instead of the usual 2 minutes of lines and movement I get to see, I had one replay.
It is corrupt
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Are you not more Angry at Man City and Pep Guardiola for voting in favour for VAR to the PL ? Is Pep a c*nt for wanting it ?

what have I actually done wrong. I don’t work for FIFA or the FA and have never had a say whether or not it can be introduced, I’m just someone on a forum that try’s to have a balanced debate about VAR without resorting to pathetic abuse.

to answer your point. On diving. I think clear dives with zero contact has dramatically decreased, loads in fact. There has been a few given this season and that Martial one is farcical, I’m not going to defend that at all. That’s not on me neither all the future controversy that will always happen. I would love a system in place that can eradicate diving all together - I don’t think it’s possible as so much of it is based on perception and it’s why you have so many pundits and fans argue whether it is or not.

if there was no VAR and a ref gives a penalty for a blatant dive , should I get angry and abusive at you and say ‘if we had VAR a ref wouldn’t have given the penalty’ . It works both ways.

No system is ever going to be perfect. So you can live in a world of anger and moan and moan at every decision or you can try and embrace change and give a balanced perspective of what can improve.

An improvement for me would be to put Mason + Dean on trial to answer for there ridiculous decisions of late ! Even aided by the help of clear replays they come to those conclusions.

I totally understand the frustration and concerns of VAR, I’m not a massive fan or advocate and it does take something out the game. Why I have to repeat this over and over I’m not sure.

but I don’t want it scraped. I don’t want refs making blind decisions and getting far more ludicrous decisions incorrect. Sorry I have that view and that makes me a c*nt.

VAR is being used all over the world now, it seems to be progressing in other countries and has it reduced attendances and the love of the game ? For you it has which is a shame. For many others it hasn’t at all.

but I agree with the vast majority outside of this forum that law changes to the game and better officiating can make VAR really improve the game. Ultimately that’s what most want.
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No,you are just a very naughty boy.
 
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