Shamima Begum

[Kazzydeyna]

The irony is that there are hundreds of British citizens who went to fight for IS who have been allowed back in Britain to face terrorism charges and/or monitoring by MI5. It's not clear to me why an exception is being made for her, other than her high media profile. It's 'chat shit, get banged,' as you say.

An exception is being made because she was a vulnerable, desperate, young female child. Much easier for a cowardly home sec to make an example of her rather than take on a strong-willed, articulate grown man for example.

This poor girl has suffered enough. Bring her home, bathe her in the milk of human kindness and let her rebuild her life.

 

[MarsLlama]

There is clearly an argument for repatriation and rehabilitation, particularly if we wish to maintain the moral high ground and show we are 'better' than the brutal IS regime. There is however an equally strong argument to fuck her off to rot forever in a camp/Syrian ghetto as a deterrent to others. These young girls are duped on social media into making that journey, and having one crying about how shit the caliphate is and bleating to cone home all the time provides a powerful counternarrative.

Of course, but I think the comparison to victims of paedophilia is disgusting

Trouble is that, whether it was her fault or not, she's clearly a potential danger. If we bought her back and she committed any crime at all, the backlash would be immense.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It'll be interesting to see what happens if her appeal succeeds!

 

[lust overlord]

It'll be interesting to see what happens if her appeal succeeds!

Well in that case, hopefully,she will get a proper trial, and then,if or when found guilty, thrown in prison for a very,very long time.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What eligibility would she have to enter the Netherlands? Her marriage conducted in Islamic State territory is probably not even recognised. She doesn't speak Bengali, one reason why she might not want to go to a country she has minimal connection with who refuse to acknowledge that she is a citizen. And one which she has no travel documents for.

I wasn't aware expecting people to have a right of appeal and proper representation by means of legal aid was something exclusive to Marxist idealogy.

She should be brought back to face justice in the UK, if there is evidence she has committed crimes, she should be prosecuted. And if convicted jailed.

This young woman is a warning of the future to prospective radicalised child brides, of the misery that will come to them (3 infant deaths etc). But keeping the adults and children in camps in squalor and all together will only radicalise future generations. I hope that I am wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn in the future that men who lived in these camps as children went on to become terrorists.

Bullshit.
Why oh why do the left consistently go against the overwhelming majority of the populace? This bitch has been involved, with her thankfully, now dead siblings, with the most brutal, medieval practices known, yet the first thing you do is leap to her defence, with mealy mouthed excuses about future possible radicalisation. What on earth do you mean by 'If there is evidence? She IS radicalised, nobody has the faintest clue if she came back, if she wouldn't immediately join with others of her ilk and start the same evil practices all over again. We also have neither the time, money or desire to be spending millions 'De Radicalising' her or any other Jihadi nutters or putting god knows how many coppers on her case to watch her for evermore.
As usual, you're wrong, the supreme court says your wrong, and anyone lobbying for this kind of filth to return and us to be accepting of it is to be ignored.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's really as simple as that, and no amount of outrage and indignation can change it.

Thankfully, your interpretation only puts you amongst the ones outraged, we're as happy as fucking Larry.

 

[Elbow beards]

"we know you've been a naughty girl and joined a terrorist organisation that takes joy in beheading UK citizens, but as long as you promise to be good you can come back home"
"OK I promise"
"welcome back, now what's your plans?"
"well I thought I might take in an Arianna Grande concert"
"OK have fun"
Sometime later...
" shit how are we gonna explain to the parents that we let her back in"

 

[Metal Biker]

Bullshit.
Why oh why do the left consistently go against the overwhelming majority of the populace? This bitch has been involved, with her thankfully, now dead siblings, with the most brutal, medieval practices known, yet the first thing you do is leap to her defence, with mealy mouthed excuses about future possible radicalisation. What on earth do you mean by 'If there is evidence? She IS radicalised, nobody has the faintest clue if she came back, if she wouldn't immediately join with others of her ilk and start the same evil practices all over again. We also have neither the time, money or desire to be spending millions 'De Radicalising' her or any other Jihadi nutters or putting god knows how many coppers on her case to watch her for evermore.
As usual, you're wrong, the supreme court says your wrong, and anyone lobbying for this kind of filth to return and us to be accepting of it is to be ignored.

She added: “Even though I was only 15 years old, I could make my own decisions. But I will admit, it’s my fault right now. I just want forgiveness from the UK. Everything I’ve been through, I didn’t expect I would go through that.” - Shamima Begum, 2019

No, no forgiveness.

 

[M18CTID]

Agree.

If all states just washed their hands of their foreign criminals then we as a nation would suffer far more than most with criminals essentially abandoned on our shores.

Well that happened when we took Michael Shields back to serve the rest of his sentence over here for a crime he was convicted of committing on Bulgarian soil (before Jack Straw set him free and couldn’t be arsed pursuing the so-called real culprit). Double standards everywhere and not just in this case

 

[M18CTID]

Ahh, a happy compromise.

I’ll settle for locking her up on a whole life tariff

 

[west didsblue]

Thankfully, your interpretation only puts you amongst the ones outraged, we're as happy as fucking Larry.

I bet you’re one of those people who loves a good law and order candidate to vote for.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Bullshit.
Why oh why do the left consistently go against the overwhelming majority of the populace? This bitch has been involved, with her thankfully, now dead siblings, with the most brutal, medieval practices known, yet the first thing you do is leap to her defence, with mealy mouthed excuses about future possible radicalisation. What on earth do you mean by 'If there is evidence? She IS radicalised, nobody has the faintest clue if she came back, if she wouldn't immediately join with others of her ilk and start the same evil practices all over again. We also have neither the time, money or desire to be spending millions 'De Radicalising' her or any other Jihadi nutters or putting god knows how many coppers on her case to watch her for evermore.
As usual, you're wrong, the supreme court says your wrong, and anyone lobbying for this kind of filth to return and us to be accepting of it is to be ignored.

The supreme court said that she couldn't return to fight her case at her appeal it didn't say anything to about her right to an appeal. I'm not sure why you have gone off one about "if there is evidence", if the sources that informed the newspaper reports are credible and meet evidential thresholds then there will be evidence.

There have been numerous examples of kids growing up in refugee camps and similar conditions living on the margins of society that went on to commit atrocities. And there is a variety of serious literature on the matter that refers to specifically to these camps and methods to prevent radicalisation.

That’s more of a concern than a frail young woman worn down by multiple pregnancies and infant deaths who appears to be quite simple and lacking the persuasive skills to radicalise others.

 

[Rascal]

Why oh why do the left consistently go against the overwhelming majority of the populace?

Because if nobody ever spoke for the underdog, discriminated against, the morally wronged, we would live in a fucking awful world where nobody had any rights apart from those with the most money and the entitled elite.

You would have no rights, you would be a serf paying tithes to your local Baron and you would be eating rhubarb for every meal, living in rags and working every hour you were awake.

And even now you dismiss the people who fought for you as lefties or other crude shit.

Because if any of you on the right of politics think you would have ever got any rights from the cunts you vote for you are fucking deluded.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because if nobody ever spoke for the underdog, discriminated against, the morally wronged, we would live in a fucking awful world where nobody had any rights apart from those with the most money and the entitled elite.

You would have no rights, you would be a serf paying tithes to your local Baron and you would be eating rhubarb for every meal, living in rags and working every hour you were awake.

And even now you dismiss the people who fought for you as lefties or other crude shit.

Because if any of you on the right of politics think you would have ever got any rights from the cunts you vote for you are fucking deluded.

Shamima Begum, a woman who admits she was of sound mind and body when she chose to join the murderous cult of ISIS, had no issue with decapitated heads in bins, raped Yazidi women and young girls sold as sex slaves or homosexuals thrown off roofs, claims the Manchester Bombings were "regretful, but retaliatory and therefore justified", would be considered "morally wronged"?

You weren't in a past life Mengele's lawyer, were you?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Utterly shameful anyone is defending or sympathising with her on here, but not surprising.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

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[Metal Biker]

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She's dead and so is he. This has absolutely no bearing in this conversation whatsoever.

But when an argument is being lost, bringing up past Tory government hypocrisies is the last throw of the dice I guess. I woudln't have approved of it then, I don't approve of Begum's past crimes being absolved now.

 

[journolud]

Shamima Begum, a woman who admits she was of sound mind and body when she chose to join the murderous cult of ISIS, had no issue with decapitated heads in bins, raped Yazidi women and young girls sold as sex slaves or homosexuals thrown off roofs, claims the Manchester Bombings were "regretful, but retaliatory and therefore justified", would be considered "morally wronged"?

You weren't in a past life Mengele's lawyer, were you?

She might not be the best person to pronounce whether she was or is of sound mind

 

[Metal Biker]

They are worse that the big evil I make them out to be.

They stop this country being a great country and they poison the minds of millions in order to keep their people in wealth and power, denying millions of ordinary Brits a decent life.

I am sorry MB, i despise them, I hate what they do to our country, I love our country and it could be so much better without them and there nasty vindictive ways, their lies and their corruption.

And they do it by using the likes of Begum as meat to the masses. A poor girl, misguided yes, made a wrong decision and is now being used to pander to the lowlife in exchange for votes. The votes that keep them in a position to rape and pillage this country for there personal gain and their mates personal gain. I am fucking sick of the twats. They are worse than ISIS to me, because perhaps i am foolish enough to expect better of them.

She's not a "poor girl". She admitted to an interviewer that even at 15 she KNEW what she was doing, and she didn't care.

“Even though I was only 15 years old, I could make my own decisions. But I will admit, it’s my fault right now. I just want forgiveness from the UK. Everything I’ve been through, I didn’t expect I would go through that.”

She wasn't misguided; she thought British girls who 'dressed provocatively' were sluts who deserved to go to hell. She hates homosexuals. She hates non-muslims, she hates Jews and nobody groomed her on these opinions. She is a full on Islamist Extremist in every sense of the word and a complete embarassment to the Islamic religion masquerading as one. Why are you defending her character? Because the "right wingers don't like her"? Most Left wingers despise her too.

This isn't about white or brown, left or right, conservative or socialist, nationalist, patriotism or globalism. It's about the common sense to realise that this 'creature' has developed entirely on her own judgement a complete hatred and disdain for everything you or I hold dear. Myra Hindley wasn't "misunderstood", she was evil. Peter Sutcliffe wasn't "asking for help", he was evil. Jon Venables wasn't a "troubled young boy", he was evil. Shamima Begum isn't a "groomed child", she's evil and takes pride in it, shows no remorse for her actions.

She's beyond anyone decent's pity or support. The people of Syria, the Kurds, the Yazidi Muslims, who suffered at the hands of those she supported, are the ones who should be prioritised in receiving justice. It has nothing to do with the Tories. I would expect a Socialist Labour UK Government to react the exact same way.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

She's dead and so is he. This has absolutely no bearing in this conversation whatsoever.

But when an argument is being lost, bringing up past Tory government hypocrisies is the last throw of the dice I guess. I woudln't have approved of it then, I don't approve of Begum's past crimes being absolved now.

How about the overseas operations bill that would protect rogue service men from war crimes proceedings?

Who is saying she should be absolved of crimes? She was 19 when stripped of citizenship, if she has committed serious crimes and is convicted then she will be in prison for a very long time. She would likely never have children and be a powerful reminder of the fate that befalls on jihadi brides. Or she can stay in the camp grow bitter and radicalise others or escape with other women when the opportunity presents itself.