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[MeatHunterrr]

By the way, franchises almost never move. In any sport here in the US.

US sports can be pretty plastic with new franchises being created.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You do wonder about the naivety of city sometimes though. How can the following work out well for city?
It is believed Perez will hold the chairman's role in the new league's structure, with Liverpool's John W. Henry, Joel Glazer of Manchester United and Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke as vice-chairmen.

Andrea Agnelli, chairman of Juventus, and believed until now to be an ally of UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin will occupy the fourth vice-chairman role.

What could possibly go wrong?....

 

[OrigamiNinja]

I do think people are overreacting when they talk about it obliterating 100 years of football.

It's essentially just an attempt to go back to the early days of the CL when it was invitation only.

There's about 140 professional clubs in the country and 4 play in the Champions League. 8 have hopes of getting in the CL.

It's not good for the game by any means, but for 99% of professional clubs in this country it won't change anything.

It will if the breakaway clubs are no longer in their domestic leagues. Are Sky going to pay £3bn or whatever it is for a league without the big 6 in it? What do the remaining clubs do when they’re getting £10m a season instead of £150m?

 

[WestGorton]

City will be caught between two stalls. The super League has been mooted for nearly 30 years.

 

[gomer27]

US sports can be pretty plastic with new franchises being created.

New franchises being added is very different then teams being moved

 

[Centurions]

What happens at 9:30?

That's when the 'official' announcement is supposed to be made.

I'd bet good money that it's 'delayed' while they wait for UEFA to back down and concede anything the big clubs want.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

you’ve completely ignored all of the merits of the nfl model.

By far the biggest merit of the NFL model is that it only applies in the NFL. We are culturally different to the U.S.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

I do think people are overreacting when they talk about it obliterating 100 years of football.

It's essentially just an attempt to go back to the early days of the CL when it was invitation only.

There's about 140 professional clubs in the country and 4 play in the Champions League. 8 have hopes of getting in the CL.

It's not good for the game by any means, but for 99% of professional clubs in this country it won't change anything.

I guess it all boils down to whether you believe the PL are bluffing when they say they'll force teams out rather than allow them to play both.

 

[domalino]

It will if the breakaway clubs are no longer in their domestic leagues. Are Sky going to pay £3bn or whatever it is for a league without the big 6 in it? What do the remaining clubs do when they’re getting £10m a season instead of £150m?

Yeah but that won't happen.

Be rational, the big clubs aren't going to abandon the majority of their money and games for what is a CL replacement.

Their aim is binning the CL for their own closed European tournament. If that's not how it shapes up, they'll abandon it.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

What, the moving 'franchises' from City to City

And if you actually had an informed opinion, you’d understand why those happen.

 

[117 M34]

If this goes ahead, surely that's the end of the champion's league.
Not much prestige if bayern and psg are the only decent teams in it.

 

[franksinatra]

Poll added, hopefully so somebody at City can see how the fans feel about this.

Based on this being true. I think the club would already be aware of the fans position, but the bottom line is would leaving give them more money and exposure.
Historically when gate revenue was a significant proportion of income, keeping the fans on side was a prerequisite, but now its a global game, tv subscriptions from abroad would offset any financial cost of losing the support of say Bob from Gorton.

History can be swept away.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

To be fair, I recall similar outrage when the Premier League was being formed, accusations of greed and the killing of traditions.

City may have no option but to cover all the bases, although I would love to think we have a plan to fuck over the teams in red.

Sadly, Soriano seems far too needy and in love with cosying up to the very people that have tried to fuck us over for years.

 

[deano ou812]

You do wonder about the naivety of city sometimes though. How can the following work out well for city?
It is believed Perez will hold the chairman's role in the new league's structure, with Liverpool's John W. Henry, Joel Glazer of Manchester United and Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke as vice-chairmen.

Andrea Agnelli, chairman of Juventus, and believed until now to be an ally of UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin will occupy the fourth vice-chairman role.

What could possibly go wrong?....

I’d rather take our chances sticking on the outside of this,as you just know somewhere down the line they will fuck us over,these are the cnuts that pushed uefa into the CAS court case ..

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

By the way, franchises almost never move. In any sport here in the US.

Hardly ever.......

Major League Baseball[edit]​

See also: Major League Baseball relocation of 1950s–60s and List of defunct and relocated Major League Baseball teams

• 1902: Original Milwaukee Brewers moved to St. Louis and became the St. Louis Browns.
• 1903: Original Baltimore Orioles moved to New York City and became the Highlanders. The team was renamed the Yankees in 1913. As this situation may be considered a case of the American League dissolving the Baltimore franchise and issuing a new franchise in New York, Yankees history information usually begins in 1903.
• 1953: Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee. This was the first move in 50 years. During those 50 years, there had also been no expansions or contractions – Major League Baseball had consisted of the same 16 teams, 8 in each league, playing in the same 10 cities without interruption for half a century.
• 1954: St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles.
• 1955: Philadelphia Athletics moved to Kansas City.
• 1958: Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles and the New York Giants moved to San Francisco. These were the first major league teams to be based in the U.S. West Coast; the teams moved simultaneously to facilitate travel for other National League (NL) teams. The NL granted New York City a new expansion franchise, the New York Mets, in 1962.
• 1961: Washington Senators moved to the Twin Cities area and became the Minnesota Twins. Not wishing to alienate Washington, D.C., the American League (AL) granted the city a new expansion franchise, also called the Senators.
• 1966: Milwaukee Braves moved to Atlanta.
• 1968: Kansas City Athletics moved to Oakland. Because Charles O. Finley broke a recently signed lease and public bonds were already issued for the building of what is now known as Kauffman Stadium, Major League Baseball was in danger of anti-trustlegislation from Stuart Symington, U.S. Senator from Missouri. As a result, the AL granted Kansas City a new expansion franchise, the Kansas City Royals, in 1969.
• 1970: Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee and became the Brewers. The AL granted Seattle a new expansion franchise, the Seattle Mariners, in 1977.
• 1972: Washington Senators moved to Arlington and became the Texas Rangers.
• 2005: Montreal Expos moved to Washington, D.C. and became the Washington Nationals. The Expos had split time between Montreal and San Juan, Puerto Rico in 2003 and 2004. This was the first move in 33 years.[3]
• 2020: Toronto Blue Jays temporarily moved to Buffalo, New York, and retained the name. This is due to the COVID-19 pandemic affecting Canada which resulted in the closure of the Canada-United States border, preventing the Blue Jays from playing their home games at the Rogers Centre. It also marked the first time an MLB game was played in Buffalo since the Buffalo Bisons of the Federal League folded in 1915 as well as no games played in Canada since 1968.

Further information: 2020 Toronto Blue Jays season

National Basketball Association[edit]​

Main article: List of relocated National Basketball Association teams

• 1951: Tri-Cities Blackhawks, who played their home games in Moline and Rock Island and Davenport, moved to Milwaukee and became the Hawks.
• 1955: Milwaukee Hawks moved to St. Louis.
• 1957: Fort Wayne Pistons moved to Detroit.
• 1957: Rochester Royals moved to Cincinnati.
• 1960: Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles.
• 1962: Philadelphia Warriors moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and became the San Francisco Warriors, then the Golden State Warriors in 1971.
• 1963: Chicago Zephyrs moved to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Bullets.
• 1963: Syracuse Nationals moved to Philadelphia and became the 76ers.
• 1968: St. Louis Hawks moved to Atlanta and became the Atlanta Hawks.
• 1971: San Diego Rockets moved to Houston and became the Houston Rockets.
• 1972: Cincinnati Royals moved to a new primary home in Kansas City and a secondary home in Omaha, becoming the Kansas City-Omaha Kings (to avoid confusion with the baseball Royals.) The team ceased playing home games in Omaha in 1975.
• 1973: Baltimore Bullets moved to Landover, Maryland, outside Washington, D.C., and were renamed as the Capital Bullets. The team was renamed the Washington Bullets in 1974; in conjunction with the opening of their new arena in downtown D.C., the team was renamed the Washington Wizards in 1997.
• 1978: Buffalo Braves moved to San Diego and became the Clippers.
• 1979: New Orleans Jazz moved to Salt Lake City and become the Utah Jazz.
• 1984: San Diego Clippers moved to Los Angeles and became the Los Angeles Clippers.
• 1985: Kansas City Kings moved to Sacramento and became the Sacramento Kings.
• 2001: Vancouver Grizzlies moved to Memphis and became the Memphis Grizzlies.
  Further information: Vancouver Grizzlies relocation to Memphis
• 2002: Charlotte Hornets moved to New Orleans. The NBA granted Charlotte a new expansion franchise, known as the Bobcats, in 2004. The Bobcats reclaimed the Hornets name before the start of the 2014–15 season.
  • At the same time that the name change to Hornets was announced, it was also revealed that the Hornets, the league, and the franchise now known as the New Orleans Pelicans had reached an agreement that the history of the original Charlotte Hornets would belong exclusively to the current Hornets.[4][5] As a result, the NBA now considers the Charlotte Hornets to have begun play in the 1988–89 season, suspended operations following the 2001–02 season, returned as the Bobcats beginning with the 2004–05 season, and renamed the Hornets beginning with the 2014–15 season, while the New Orleans Pelicans kept their history as the Hornets from moving in 2002.
• 2005: New Orleans Hornets moved temporarily to Oklahoma City following Hurricane Katrinaand became the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets.
  Further information: Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the New Orleans Hornets
• 2007: New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets returned to New Orleans full-time. The team was renamed as the Pelicans in 2013.
• 2008: Seattle SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City and became the Thunder.
  Further information: Seattle SuperSonics relocation to Oklahoma City
• 2020: Toronto Raptors moved temporarily to Tampa due to the closure of the Canada-United States border stemming from the COVID-19 situation affecting Canada, preventing the Raptors from playing their home games in the Scotiabank Arena.

Further information: 2020–21 Toronto Raptors season

National Football League[edit]​

Main article: National Football League franchise moves and mergers
The history of the NFL fully incorporates that of the fourth American Football League, which began operation in 1960 with eight teams and became by far the most successful rival to the NFL. In 1966, the two leagues agreed to a merger that took full effect in 1970. All teams from the 1960–1969 AFL were brought intact to the NFL, and the current NFL recognizes all AFL records and statistics as its own.

• 1921: Decatur Staleys moved to Chicago and became the Bears one year later.
• 1934: Portsmouth Spartans moved to Detroit and became the Lions.
• 1937: Boston Redskins moved to Washington, D.C.
• 1946: Cleveland Rams moved to Los Angeles.
• 1960: Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis.
• 1961: The AFL's Los Angeles Chargers moved to San Diego after spending only their inaugural season in Los Angeles.
• 1963: The AFL Dallas Texans (not to be confused with the short-lived NFL franchise of the same name) moved to Kansas City, Missouri, and became the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 1982: Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles. Although the NFL refused permission for the move, the team won the right to move (as well as the right to remain as a franchise in its conference and in the league) through a court case.
• 1984: Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis and became the Indianapolis Colts. The team's offices were slipped out of Baltimore in the middle of the night to avoid a proposed eminent domain seizure by the state of Maryland.
  Further information: Baltimore Colts relocation to Indianapolis
• 1988: St. Louis Cardinals moved to the Phoenix area, playing games in nearby Tempe and became the Phoenix Cardinals. The team was renamed the Arizona Cardinals in 1994. The team now plays in another Phoenix suburb, Glendale.
• 1995: Los Angeles Raiders moved back to Oakland after 13 seasons.
• 1995: Los Angeles Ramsmoved to St. Louis.
  Further information: History of the National Football League in Los Angeles
• 1996: Cleveland Browns players and coaching staff moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. The move was one of the most controversial in major professional sports history. In response to a fan revolt and legal threats, the NFL awarded a new franchise to Cleveland in 1999, which for historical purposes is considered a continuation of the original Browns franchise.
  Further information: Cleveland Browns relocation controversy
• 1997: Houston Oilers moved to Memphis and became the Tennessee Oilers. The team originally planned to play the 1997 and 1998 seasons in Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis before moving to Nashville. However, due to poor attendance, the team moved to Nashville in 1998, playing in Vanderbilt University's stadium. The team was renamed the Titans in 1999, when their new stadium was opened. The NFL granted Houston a new expansion franchise in 2002.
• 2016: St. Louis Rams moved back to Los Angeles after 21 seasons in St. Louis. The team moved to a new stadium in nearby Inglewood in 2020.
• 2017: San Diego Chargers returned to their original home of Los Angeles after 56 seasons in San Diego. The team played in the suburb of Carson before joining the Rams at their new stadium in 2020.
• 2020: Oakland Raiders were approved to move to a new stadium in the Las Vegas area in 2020.[6] The team played in Oakland for the 2018 season and, due to being thwarted in its plans to play in San Francisco by their regional rivals the 49ers, were forced to play in Oakland in 2019 as well before completing the move to Las Vegas in 2020.[7][8]
  Further information: Oakland Raiders relocation to Las Vegas

National Hockey League[edit]​

Main article: List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League teams
Only one NHL team that moved has kept its name: the Calgary Flames.

The Edmonton Oilers nearly moved to Houston in 1998, but the team remained in the city after a limited partnership raised enough money to purchase the franchise before the deadline.[9][10] The then-Phoenix Coyotes were placed into bankruptcy with the intent to circumvent the league's relocation rules, but this was blocked by a judge. Other threats to leave came from two of the 1967 expansion teams, the Pittsburgh Penguins (on multiple occasions) and St. Louis Blues (in 1983), but ultimately stayed in their existing markets.

• 1976: California Golden Seals, who played their home games in Oakland, moved to Cleveland and became the Barons. The Cleveland Barons then merged with the Minnesota North Stars two years later; the San Francisco Bay Area was awarded the San Jose Sharksin 1991 when the owners threatened to move the team from Minnesota, they were allowed to split half the team back to San Jose.
  Further information: 1991 NHL Dispersal and Expansion Drafts
• 1976: Kansas City Scouts moved to Denver and became the Colorado Rockies.
• 1978: The Cleveland Barons franchise merged with the Minnesota North Stars; Ohio was awarded an expansion team in 2000.
  Further information: 1978 NHL Dispersal Draft
• 1980: Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary; Atlanta was awarded an expansion team in 1999, which moved to Winnipeg in 2011.
• 1982: Colorado Rockies moved to East Rutherford and became the New Jersey Devils; 13 years later, Colorado received a relocated team.
• 1993: Minnesota North Stars moved to Dallas and became the Stars; Minnesota was awarded an expansion team in 2000.
• 1995: Quebec Nordiques moved to Denver and became the Colorado Avalanche.
• 1996: Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix and became the Phoenix Coyotes. The team changed its geographic name to Arizona prior to the 2014–15 season.
• 1997: Hartford Whalers moved to Raleigh and became the Carolina Hurricanes. For the 1997 and 1998 seasons, they played home games in Greensboro while their intended home, the venue now known as PNC Arena, was under construction in Raleigh.
• 2011: Atlanta Thrashers moved to Winnipeg and became the current version of the Winnipeg Jets.

Major League Soccer[edit]​

• 2006: The San Jose Earthquakes moved to Houston and became the Houston Dynamo; however, the team records, logo, colors, championships, and history were left in San Jose. An option for an MLS franchise was awarded to Oakland Athletics owner Lew Wolff in 2006, and the option was exercised in 2007. The Earthquakes resumed play in MLS in 2008 as a continuation of the previous Earthquakes franchise under new ownership.

 

[MCFC1993]

Government now condemning it, hopefully that's the end of this.

 

[Barcon]

By the way, franchises almost never move. In any sport here in the US.

I can think of seven in the NHL just off the top of my head.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I’m not arsed about UEFA, I actively dislike them, but I don’t want City to fuck over the long standing traditions of English football. So City need to get their heads around this properly and do the right thing for English football.

UEFA being saved is a side consequence.

Totally agree - all custodians lucky enough to own something within our revered footballing pyramid should be making decisions for the good of the game not just self interest.

And I do mean all owners.......

 

[ws01]

By the way, franchises almost never move. In any sport here in the US.

Uhhhh..... what?

Don't think you're aware of your own history here.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

By far the biggest merit of the NFL model is that it only applies in the NFL. We are culturally different to the U.S.

I agree. But you can’t dismiss the franchise model as anything other than a huge success.

The issue at hand isn’t the merits of a franchise model, it’s as you say, the culture and history aspect of English football is being completely ignored by a bunch of American owners who can’t see past what has worked in America, but never stopped to ask why.