Keir Starmer

[bluejon]

Have you actually watched or read his assessment?

Have you read his book "Rule Britannia, Brexit and the end of Empire" ?

Did you know that the leave vote was higher in area's where obesity was higher. Did you know that poverty had little effect on the voting patterns. Did you know more people voted leave in Hampshire than in Sunderland.
Women by a small majority voted voted remain, white men voted leave, the biggest gender differences where on the AB social class among 35-54 year olds where women were 11 points more likely to vote remain than men.

That is a taste of the level if analysis he broke it down too, but you would rather take a Tory Baron's pollsters word for it,

Fair enough, sorry to have bothered you.

one interesting statistic (sorry it's a little off topic, but it is a response to your post), the majority of religious people voted in favour of brexit, the majority of those with no religion voted against it, and i think the only religion that didn't vote majority leave was islam (who voted more heavily remain than any group, after no religion). interesting to see those believing in imaginary things voting for imaginary things

 

[Vic]

one interesting statistic (sorry it's a little off topic, but it is a response to your post), the majority of religious people voted in favour of brexit, the majority of those with no religion voted against it, and i think the only religion that didn't vote majority leave was islam (who voted more heavily remain than any group, after no religion). interesting to see those believing in imaginary things voting for imaginary things

Average age of Church of England congregations is 61. It's just age (if even true).

 

[mat]

Bit late to be calling the PM a racist. Maybe should have started when elected as leader eh?

 

[mat]

He's a good parliamentarian.

Watching the foreign aid debate and he's schooling Tories on the rules off debate. Whilst giving his speech he explains he will give he argument band give Tories a chance to produce a counter. First intervention is a dig and not an argument which he points out and asks the PM to prepare a better counter to the argument he's got.

He sarcastically schooling them on the rules of debate. Not seen the before.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

He sarcastically schooling them on the rules of debate. Not seen the before.

As he does pretty much every Wednesday tbf. You are interested and politically aware, but sadly a great chunk of the electorate are not so his weekly win in PMQ's doesn't register. The teatime covid briefings have allowed BJ to sidestep parliament and beam his message largely unchallenged direct to the people with PMQ's downgraded as an event. Oddly enough the same thing the govt don't like Sturgeon doing

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

He's a good parliamentarian.

Watching the foreign aid debate and he's schooling Tories on the rules off debate. Whilst giving his speech he explains he will give he argument band give Tories a chance to produce a counter. First intervention is a dig and not an argument which he points out and asks the PM to prepare a better counter to the argument he's got.

He sarcastically schooling them on the rules of debate. Not seen the before.

He does well in these debates and always seem to notice Johnson ducks out before it ends.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He's a good parliamentarian.

Watching the foreign aid debate and he's schooling Tories on the rules off debate. Whilst giving his speech he explains he will give he argument band give Tories a chance to produce a counter. First intervention is a dig and not an argument which he points out and asks the PM to prepare a better counter to the argument he's got.

He sarcastically schooling them on the rules of debate. Not seen the before.

The problem is that Parliament is irrelevant to people's lives.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The problem is that Parliament is irrelevant to people's lives.

Because Parliament is irrelevant to government.

Johnson, or his handlers, make policy up as they go along, his cabinet of all the idiots rubber stamps it, and his honourable sheep are whipped to pass it.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Because Parliament is irrelevant to government.

Johnson, or his handlers, make policy up as they go along, his cabinet of all the idiots rubber stamps it, and his honourable sheep are whipped to pass it.

The whole political structure is irrelevant to most people. We have a system that is centuries out of date. It is highly centralised with power in the hands of a very small section of our country on the Left and Right of politics. The people in the centre are the majority and they are neglected.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The whole political structure is irrelevant to most people. We have a system that is centuries out of date. It is highly centralised with power in the hands of a very small section of our country on the Left and Right of politics. The people in the centre are the majority and they are neglected.

This made me smile.

You were doing so well, and then......

centralised with power in the hands of a very small section of our country on the Left

I'd love to know where this is, precisely?

 

[urban genie]

Still a useless ****
.but all of labour are useless cunts atm too many people who are political by profesion not passion

Also corbyn hangers on and those thinking reverting to the wastrals such as long bailey and burgeon are nobheads

Also my bad spelling is due to 8 pints so fuck off

 

[urban genie]

one interesting statistic (sorry it's a little off topic, but it is a response to your post), the majority of religious people voted in favour of brexit, the majority of those with no religion voted against it, and i think the only religion that didn't vote majority leave was islam (who voted more heavily remain than any group, after no religion). interesting to see those believing in imaginary things voting for imaginary things

Yeah but it boils down to one thing, if the UK was running on a socialist principal and had ensured a good trade relationship within europe with a goal to change the EU from a really wanj system that shits on most members

Then voting leave would have been the right choice unless you were a tory or liberal and self centerrd.

Leavijg the EU is only bad depending on the government at the time

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This made me smile.

You were doing so well, and then......



I'd love to know where this is, precisely?

You have misquoted me. I said on the Left and Right pf politics. People like Johnson and Starmer are just two sides of the same coin. They are part of the London-based chattering class sect who treat the rest of us with total contempt. I once met the DG of the BBC at an event where he boasted about the BBC regions output. I told him that I lived in the regions and so did 50 million other people and I didn't understand why 50 million people should be regarded as some sort of ghetto. The vast majority of people live outside the M25 and we have been disregarded.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You have misquoted me. I said on the Left and Right pf politics. People like Johnson and Starmer are just two sides of the same coin. They are part of the London-based chattering class sect who treat the rest of us with total contempt. I once met the DG of the BBC at an event where he boasted about the BBC regions output. I told him that I lived in the regions and so did 50 million other people and I didn't understand why 50 million people should be regarded as some sort of ghetto. The vast majority of people live outside the M25 and we have been disregarded.

You may have a point somewhere in there, but it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the centralisation of power anywhere on the left.

The reality is the left is fighting a rearguard action to exist even within the Labour Party! With its former leader no longer even a Labour MP having had the whip removed!

You think the DG of the BBC doesn't give a fuck about the regions because he's got a copy of Das Kapital tucked under his pillow?

Any sense of alienation you and millions like you might feel is not the result of two ideologically opposed power blocks slugging it out and pissing on the centre, that's a fairy tale, backed up with zero evidence, and it's backed up with zero evidence because it simply isn't true.

 

[ganganvince]

Starmer set to expel 1,000 far left Labour members in four ‘poisonous’ groups

EXCLUSIVE Labour Against The Witchhunt and Socialist Appeal are among the groups to be proscribed by the party's ruling body as the leader bids to stamp out "toxic extremism"

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Starmer set to expel 1,000 far left Labour members in four ‘poisonous’ groups

EXCLUSIVE Labour Against The Witchhunt and Socialist Appeal are among the groups to be proscribed by the party's ruling body as the leader bids to stamp out "toxic extremism"

www.mirror.co.uk

Strange to be spending time on such inconsequential people. Proscribing groups is something that should be the exclusive domain of the government. Or do the Labour Party not believe in freedom of association?

Having read very briefly about Socialist Appeal, I imagine a meeting of them would be very much like this:

 

[Vic]

You have misquoted me. I said on the Left and Right pf politics. People like Johnson and Starmer are just two sides of the same coin. They are part of the London-based chattering class sect who treat the rest of us with total contempt. I once met the DG of the BBC at an event where he boasted about the BBC regions output. I told him that I lived in the regions and so did 50 million other people and I didn't understand why 50 million people should be regarded as some sort of ghetto. The vast majority of people live outside the M25 and we have been disregarded.

I think you'll find BBC London is one of the BBC regions.

Starmer studied law in Leeds, under Labour we heard less about "levelling up" (the Tory solution to another problem of their creation), but some on here will be miffed that you think Starmer is on the Left.

I'd stop digging.

 

[Vic]

Strange to be spending time on such inconsequential people. Proscribing groups is something that should be the exclusive domain of the government. Or do the Labour Party not believe in freedom of association?

Having read very briefly about Socialist Appeal, I imagine a meeting of them would be very much like this:

We have one member in the constituency who hijacks every internal discussion to slag off Starmer. He's really begging to be thrown out but I doubt he's one of those groups, just a disgruntled Corbyn fan.

 

[mat]

Some see it as a badge of honour to be suspended or thrown out of the party by Sir Keir.

Like my unions decisions to leave them. The GS of our sister union Oz described it in his speech as "I'd rather piss inside the tent than out of it"

 

[west didsblue]

Some see it as a badge of honour to be suspended or thrown out of the party by Sir Keir.

Like my unions decisions to leave them. The GS of our sister union Oz described it in his speech as "I'd rather piss inside the tent than out of it"

Would those people rather see Johnson win another election because that’s what’s going to happen unless the party unites behind Starmer. Their man, Corbyn, has failed. It’s time to give his successor some proper backing rather than sniping from the sidelines.