Keir Starmer

paulchapo said:
I can't think of anybody who likes Starmer, he is the invisible man, a complete nonentity. Labour need to get shot of him asap or they're doomed.
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I actually like Starmer for his attacks on Johnson and the government as a whole. For me, as a floating voter who only chooses to look at the Conservatives when I think it’s needed, the problems really came when Corbyn was about to be ousted and the party challenged/amended the rules on party voting rights, bringing non-party members in to keep him as the head of the party. I liked Corbyn because he held my values in many ways but the way it was managed really discredited the process and allowed his enemy’s to prosper from his perceived allegiances.

What came later was simply propaganda spread which lead to his downfall but it did have an affect on the party and, now it’s split into many factions, the rich are now having their day, which Starmer can do nothing about apart from allowing them to hopefully push the down trodden into an uprising of biblical proportions.

We’re not too far away from the US political system, one could say that they modelled it on us and being centre of Labour shouldn’t be a problem, being either side is making it so.
 
Gray said:
The working demographic of the UK has changed dramatically over the last 50 years. The traditional Labour workers have vanished along with the Pits, Steelworks, Ship Yards, Docks, Railways etc.

Labour need to change tack drastically and not be so beholding to the Unions, if they are ever going to be relevant again.
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And that’s what they are trying to do. We have moved from industry into support which are very different in construction.
 
mat said:
He talked the talk today.

If he walks the walk rather than throwing sound bites out to appease whoever he's meeting then I will campaign for him.

Blair promised repealing the anti trade union laws to keep the left of the party onside. He won a big enough majority to do it. Then quietly dropped it as corporate donors appeared.
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Some still ark back to Blair in a negative manner but he kept Labour in power for many years, probably the most successful period in history. Apart from him taking sides when he, and anybody else, had no choice, what could be the complaint?
 
Starmer reminds me of John Major, grey with no charisma, I can only remember one of Majors policies - back to basics, but that's one more policy than Starmer's got.
 
west didsblue said:
All the same are they?
Only when your side are the worst government in living memory.
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My memory goes back further than yours (probably), and they aren’t.

On a personal front I will never ever forgive Gordon Brown for singlehandedly ruining company pension schemes, I suspect he did not suffer from his actions.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Which is what the Tories want you to believe.

No political party or Government has, in modern times, lied on the scale of the current Government.
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As I said to another posters, nobody comes anywhere near the destroyer of company pension schemes the pompous ass Gordon Brown. I dread what I would do to that person if I ever had the misfortune to meet him.
 
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Gray said:
My memory goes back further than yours (probably), and they aren’t.

On a personal front I will never ever forgive Gordon Brown for singlehandedly ruining company pension schemes, I suspect he did not suffer from his actions.
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And I will never forgive Harold Wilson for devaluing the £ back in the late sixties.
Stop living in the past mate as justification for this appalling government.
 
Len Rum said:
And I will never forgive Harold Wilson for devaluing the £ back in the late sixties.
Stop living in the past mate as justification for this appalling government.
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Len Rum said:
Well I wouldn't take that as gospel.
Thatcher did a lot of things without thinking through the consequences - Council House sales without replenishing stock for rent, public spending cuts which left infrastructure in major cities in crisis ( London recovered following the Mayoral initiative, other cities still feeling affect today), poll tax ( nuff said).
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Unless it suits your argument.
 
Gray said:
My memory goes back further than yours (probably), and they aren’t.

On a personal front I will never ever forgive Gordon Brown for singlehandedly ruining company pension schemes, I suspect he did not suffer from his actions.
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It probably doesn’t.
Name me another PM that has lied as blatantly and regularly as this one.
Name another PM that has presided over a less talented bunch of self serving corrupt tossers totally unqualified to be government ministers.
Name another government that has deliberately sabotaged the economy of the country and increased the likelihood of the break up of the U.K.
 
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