Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

Looks like a lot of the European plan B-type countries are now struggling with a surge in cases, whilst the UK meanders on at a much lower level.

Much lower level? Really? How many Western European Countries is our level "much lower than"?

We still have a higher case rate than most of these countries, and a higher death rate than almost all of them.

The main difference seems to be that these European countries care more about deaths than we do.

 

[PragueBlue]

Much lower level? Really? How many Western European Countries is our level "much lower than"?

Germany, Belgium and Holland all appear to have higher rates than the UK and many more in Central Europe.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Germany, Belgium and Holland all appear to have higher rates than the UK and many more in Central Europe.

Yeah, for lower vaxxed countries absolutely, and some countries are now higher than us.

Unlike us, they are taking action to respond.

But there are NOT "many" countries following "plan B" who we are at a "much lower level" than. It might happen, but it hasn't yet.

 

[worsleyweb]

Yeah, for lower vaxxed countries absolutely, and some countries are now higher than us.

Unlike us, they are taking action to respond.

But there are NOT "many" countries following "plan B" who we are at a "much lower level" than. It might happen, but it hasn't yet.

Pardon me for saying but you seem obsessed with constantly saying we are doing worse than europe?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Pardon me for saying but you seem obsessed with constantly saying we are doing worse than europe?

Pardon me but you're the one sounding obsessed here

 

[M18CTID]

Much lower level? Really? How many Western European Countries is our level "much lower than"?

We still have a higher case rate than most of these countries, and a higher death rate than almost all of them.

The main difference seems to be that these European countries care more about deaths than we do.

Germany reported 299 deaths the other day. If I'm not mistaken, that's bigger than any daily total we've reported since the spring. And while they're imposing some restrictions they remain largely open for now. They also reported over 60,000 Covid cases yesterday too - presumably from fewer tests than we do so God only knows what the true figure is, plus the case numbers don't appear to have even peaked yet (meaning death numbers certainly won't have either) and as with many other European countries they seem to still be rising exponentially (one of your favourite words!). Despite all that, they've not gone into lockdown yet and I think they'd be loathe to impose one, although the way things are going that might actually have to be a consideration.

In contrast to that, it can be reasonably argued that we ARE meandering away with case numbers falling and rising but whichever direction they're going in, it's not been anything like exponential and we still haven't touched the daily case numbers that were being recorded around the time that all restrictions were lifted in July. Why the trend is different over here compared to what's happening on much of the continent now, I've no idea, especially as many of those countries are a lot stricter regarding mask wearing/needing Covid passports to get into bars and restaurants, etc, but I wouldn't mind betting that a larger percentage of UK citizens have a level of immunity through either having had Covid/having been vaccinated than pretty much every other country in Europe and that's why our trend is different to what we're seeing across the continent.

 

[N1985]

It's nice to see the Government/NHS bashers and doom mongers have crawled out from under their stones. Fuck me. Back to leaving this thread unread.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Well my pcr test results came back positive, thats me confined to a bedroom in our house for another 8 days at least.
Mightly pissed off to be honest, there was apparently two other confirmed cases on the site Ive been working on in town, and nobody said anything. Just selfish beyond belief some folk and dont give a shit about anyone else.

Is this not a criminal offence? Surely they can be fined for that?

 

[grunge]

Germany reported 299 deaths the other day. If I'm not mistaken, that's bigger than any daily total we've reported since the spring. And while they're imposing some restrictions they remain largely open for now. They also reported over 60,000 Covid cases yesterday too - presumably from fewer tests than we do so God only knows what the true figure is, plus the case numbers don't appear to have even peaked yet (meaning death numbers certainly won't have either) and as with many other European countries they seem to still be rising exponentially (one of your favourite words!). Despite all that, they've not gone into lockdown yet and I think they'd be loathe to impose one, although the way things are going that might actually have to be a consideration.

In contrast to that, it can be reasonably argued that we ARE meandering away with case numbers falling and rising but whichever direction they're going in, it's not been anything like exponential and we still haven't touched the daily case numbers that were being recorded around the time that all restrictions were lifted in July. Why the trend is different over here compared to what's happening on much of the continent now, I've no idea, especially as many of those countries are a lot stricter regarding mask wearing/needing Covid passports to get into bars and restaurants, etc, but I wouldn't mind betting that a larger percentage of UK citizens have a level of immunity through either having had Covid/having been vaccinated than pretty much every other country in Europe and that's why our trend is different to what we're seeing across the continent.

Germany is an interesting one to watch in data terms. from World in data its 292 deaths they reported which is the same as our highest.

but similar proportion of fully vaccinated, 67.09 ( Germany ) vs 67.54 ( UK )

Deaths wise Germany are very much spiking compared to us. however have been a tiny fraction of our death rate since July. Will be interesting to see a like for like 12 month comparison next July to see which way of handling things actually turns out to be the right way.

in a few years time there will be a lot of eyes looking back at how each country handled things.

 

[grunge]

If there was any doubt about masks. and there are some anti maskers on here.

Mask Wearing Cuts New Covid-19 Cases By 53%—It’s The Best Public Health Measure Against The Virus, Study Finds​

Mask Wearing Linked To 53% Cut In New Covid-19 Cases—It’s The Best Public Health Measure Against The Virus, Study Finds

The measure has been a flashpoint during the pandemic, but researchers say it’s more effective than handwashing and physical distancing at reducing the incidence of Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

 

[Bluewonder]

Yeah, for lower vaxxed countries absolutely, and some countries are now higher than us.

Unlike us, they are taking action to respond.

But there are NOT "many" countries following "plan B" who we are at a "much lower level" than. It might happen, but it hasn't yet.

Do you ever wonder if some of the action you mention and propose for the UK might actually have a detrimental impact?

It certainly doesn't appear to have a positive impact given the rocketing case rates across the European countries which enacted the 'plan B' (and additional measures) as mentioned.

 

[Gabriel]

Germany, Belgium and Holland all appear to have higher rates than the UK and many more in Central Europe.

Netherlands posted 23,680 new cases today, that’s 5,678 up on the seven-day average. Some 205 were admitted to hospital and another 33 to ICU. On a brighter note, the first booster jab was given out today. Come to think of it, that’s rather late…

 

[Deleted member 77198]

If there was any doubt about masks. and there are some anti maskers on here.

Mask Wearing Linked To 53% Cut In New Covid-19 Cases—It’s The Best Public Health Measure Against The Virus, Study Finds

The measure has been a flashpoint during the pandemic, but researchers say it’s more effective than handwashing and physical distancing at reducing the incidence of Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

Studies have shown this since the SARS-CoV-1 outbreak nearly 20 years ago. In East Asia, it’s been common to wear masks in the Winter. Lots of East Asians were wearing masks here in Britain during the big 2017-18 Winter of influenza.

More widespread evidence has shown they work against the spread of SARS-CoV-2, like you’ve shown there, yet still people won’t wear them.

Some people still think they’re for protecting yourself from contracting the virus when they’re actually for protecting other people. It’s just simple courtesy for others to wear them, I’ve worn them since February 2020 and will contunue to do so.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Netherlands posted 23,680 new cases today, that’s 5,678 up on the seven-day average. Some 205 were admitted to hospital and another 33 to ICU. On a brighter note, the first booster jab was given out today. Come to think of it, that’s rather late…

To put that into perspective their population is 16.9m. That’s one case for every 713 people in just one day.

 

[Manc in London]

Has there been any research (I'm sure there has so probably the wrong question) into similar effects with long Covid?

Although I'm not back running in some capacity (8 months on and nowhere near the pace I had pre covid) I never really shook the cough off.
I've just succumbed to a really bad chest infection.
I've had it over a week but it's worsened over the past few days.
Managed to see a doc who thought it was probably viral (I'd hope I could get prescribed meds to try and eradicate it) but I'm non stop coughing to the point of throwing up/almost blacking out.
Ribs feel bruised and I'm totally wiped.

Not sure if it's because my immune system has been compromised or I still had remnant of covid cells sat in my lungs.

Goodness me. Sad to hear it continues. You must be pulling your hair out.

Have you had a consultant or doctor keep an eye on how you are progressing, or not, as it seems?

 

[Gaz76]

It should be criminal!! But for all the sweet talk they give outside the sites, the reality is anything but, left me in a right old quandry as to what to say to the track and trace, as in there will not be a job for me at the end of the ten days if I flag the site up.

 

[Healdplace]

Sadly big jump up in UK cases today too.

On 46,807 - the biggest rise by farn being in England - up nearly 9000 on yesterday and 4000 on last week.

The most in England in four weeks.

 

[Healdplace]

However, the hospital data in England is better again today. Though cases take time to translate into patients remember so todays rise would not appear- if it does - until next week.

England patients down third day running (though by less today - just 76 - not over 200 as on past two days) to 6336. Ventilators also down to 779 by 13.

Full details on the data thread later.

 

[Manchester33]

Looks like a lot of the European plan B-type countries are now struggling with a surge in cases, whilst the UK meanders on at a much lower level.

There were plenty of smart arses in here demanding we change our approach to follow theirs, not too long ago.

Today's stats say different. The UK is on the brink of another surge.

You can't judge a country's response over the course of a few days (or even weeks). You have to compare over a much broader period and to date, the UK has handled the pandemic as poorly as any European country (based on deaths per capita).


The clear sign is that its unvaccinated people driving these surges. Hopefully, more people see sense and get vaccinated ahead of the inevitable Christmas spike.

 

[Well Wisher]

If there was any doubt about masks. and there are some anti maskers on here.

Mask Wearing Linked To 53% Cut In New Covid-19 Cases—It’s The Best Public Health Measure Against The Virus, Study Finds

The measure has been a flashpoint during the pandemic, but researchers say it’s more effective than handwashing and physical distancing at reducing the incidence of Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

For those who don't believe the narrative, here's the narrative telling you to believe the narrative. Checkmate.