Gas & Electricity

[denislawsbackheel]

I should think Johnson’s first question was
What’s a kettle?

 

[Bill Walker]

The problem with this is that kettles are used to boil water and be used immediately. Having a better insulated kettle will stop the water cooling down as quickly if it isn’t used straight after it boils. Most people boil a kettle to use the water while it’s boiling rather than to store it and use it later.
All an eco kettle does is better control the amount of water boiled, so that less is routinely wasted. Carefully measuring the water you need in a normal kettle would have the same effect.

No, it's not just about insulation. The insulation will reduce the amount of heat that is heating up the ambient air around the kettle (which you don't want to do)
Newer kettle's boil the same amount of water a lot quicker than really old one's, again using less electricity.
And anyway besides the newer technology, the heating coil on an old kettle will probably be lime scaled up , slowing down the transfer of heat to the water.

 

[Bill Walker]

I should think Johnson’s first question was
What’s a kettle?

Quite.
It's not him advising these thing's, he just a performing monkey being told what to say.

 

[west didsblue]

No, it's not just about insulation. The insulation will reduce the amount of heat that is heating up the ambient air around the kettle (which you don't want to do)
Newer kettle's boil the same amount of water a lot quicker than really old one's, again using less electricity.
And anyway besides the newer technology, the heating coil on an old kettle will probably be lime scaled up , slowing down the transfer of heat to the water.

The only way to boil the same amount of water quicker is to put the heat in quicker. The overall heat put in is the same - 4180J/kg/degC.
1kg of water at 15 degrees would need 85x4180 Joules to boil - 355kJ. A 3 kW kettle would take 355/3 = 118 seconds = 2 minutes irrespective of the technology of the kettle. That’s faster than a 1.5kW kettle that would take twice as long but use the same amount of energy spread over a longer period. Losses due to air heating would be negligible in that timeframe.

 

[Dogtanian]

Get onto a smart meter and pay for what you use, everyone around me has gone from ££200 to £400 or more, our gas and electric in august was £87. That’s a 3 bed semi, but just the two of us and a dog.

I check it everyday, todays cost us £2.24 (we both work from home mostly). We’re with Utility Warehouse

We are a 3 bed semi but we have 2 kids we have asked for a smart meter, they are adamant it's 600 a month, just crazy money

 

[crublue1]

Quite.
It's not him advising these thing's, he just a performing monkey being told what to say.

By who?

 

[blueinsa]

Just shut down my Aquariums after nearly 10 years, a sad event but one that is likely to save me a lot of money in the next few months and years.

I used to run a marine tank and frankly, I’m so glad I no longer do as the cost would be eye watering.

 

[marco]

We are a 3 bed semi but we have 2 kids we have asked for a smart meter, they are adamant it's 600 a month, just crazy money

is that because your on DD spreading an estimated payment over the year, i'm the same as the other poster, 3 bed bungalow with 4 adults, pay Eon per month with a smart meter and last months gas was £27, elec was £59, im expecting sept account to be cheaper as ive started turning TVs off etc

 

[bluealf]

I used to run a marine tank and frankly, I’m so glad I no longer do as the cost would be eye watering.

I had 5 tanks lol I dread to think what these would cost in 6 months time, like I say, a little sad, had some of the fish from the start but the choice between having a life and affording stuff or sitting in the house watching fish instead isn't much of a choice really.

 

[M18CTID]

Get onto a smart meter and pay for what you use, everyone around me has gone from ££200 to £400 or more, our gas and electric in august was £87. That’s a 3 bed semi, but just the two of us and a dog.

I check it everyday, todays cost us £2.24 (we both work from home mostly). We’re with Utility Warehouse

£87 sounds good on the face of it but a note of caution that what you paid for your energy in August will be based on rates related to the old price cap and not the new one which is effective from October 1st. Also, we use far less gas in the summer months as the heating is rarely on or not on at all. We should be using less electricity too due to the long days and lights not being on as much. Those people you know who have seen their bills double will probably be down to the new price cap coming in next month. And it’s coming in just at a time when we’re all entering those months of the year where our energy usage increases dramatically so it’ll be a double whammy.

 

[blueinsa]

is that because your on DD spreading an estimated payment over the year, i'm the same as the other poster, 3 bed bungalow with 4 adults, pay Eon per month with a smart meter and last months gas was £27, elec was £59, im expecting sept account to be cheaper as ive started turning TVs off etc

I’ve been on a smart meter with EDF for several months now but I’ve had my DD increased to £211 a month and I’m sat with a £670 credit as I type with the next bill due 23rd September according to the app.

Why am I not being billed monthly? I can see from the meter I am currently using about £25 a month gas and about £125 a month electricity, mainly due to an electric cooker which has made us now switch to one of these ninja smart cooker machines so hopefully that will save us money.

 

[marco]

basically work has said they can sustain the monthly bills as it is at £1600 per month but when it goes up in October then thats it we will be out of work

 

[blueinsa]

basically work has said they can sustain the monthly bills as it is at £1600 per month but when it goes up in October then thats it we will be out of work

More and more convinced the plan of government backed state loans meaning our bills are frozen for at least 2 years will happen, hopefully saving your job and those of millions of others.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I’ve been on a smart meter with EDF for several months now but I’ve had my DD increased to £211 a month and I’m sat with a £670 credit as I type with the next bill due 23rd September according to the app.

Why am I not being billed monthly? I can see from the meter I am currently using about £25 a month gas and about £125 a month electricity, mainly due to an electric cooker which has made us now switch to one of these ninja smart cooker machines so hopefully that will save us money.

EDF only bill twice a year! I’ve had a smart meter installed by then in June only the gas bit has ever worked, I give them a reading every month now they are bloody useless, I will only be paying for what I use I can work it out myself easily now.

 

[blueinsa]

EDF only bill twice a year! I’ve had a smart meter installed by then in June only the gas bit has ever worked, I give them a reading every month now they are bloody useless, I will only be paying for what I use I can work it out myself easily now.

The reality of the DD is that we are used as their cash flow and in normal times I’d be fine with that but we are anything but in normal times I’m afraid.

OFGEM should immediately put a stop to the scam that is the DD discount so we have the choice to pay for what we use without further financial penalty.

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

There is no wasted electrical energy, only electrical energy saved, not used. (You bill will be less)

You alluded to the first law of thermodynamics.

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When making energy more efficient we really need to look at the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. And how heat always transfers to cold, efficiency is gained by slowing down that transference. This is why it's a great idea to heavily insulate you home, to retain the heat your energy (heating system) has produced. (Unless you want to heat the street :))

If we want a bigger difference between Q and W (above) we need to slow down the DeltaU.

Put simply, we can use less energy with the same results through technology. Boris is correct about the new eco kettles.

This is why we don’t talk about the first law of thermodynamics. No fucker understands it.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The reality of the DD is that we are used as their cash flow and in normal times I’d be fine with that but we are anything but in normal times I’m afraid.

OFGEM should immediately put a stop to the scam that is the DD discount so we have the choice to pay for what we use without further financial penalty.

I think we can still apply for the money

 

[marco]

More and more convinced the plan of government backed state loans meaning our bills are frozen for at least 2 years will happen, hopefully saving your job and those of millions of others.

hope your right mate,its a ticking time bomb, not just domestic bills, if nothing changes then its going to be riots,mass unemployment,and debts racking up

 

[crublue1]

I've worked all my life, paid my dues.
Never signed on. Worked all through covid, no furlough. I was deemed an essential worker at the time.
Got covid 2 weeks ago, off work, no pay.
I'll get fuck all help off this bunch of cunts, I just know it.
Johnson can shove his kettle up his fat arse.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

By who?

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