Liverpool fans throwing missiles from South Stand Level 3

sandonsid said:
Always the victims is a shithouse way of taunting us about Hillsborough and you know it.
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I'd say it's a very clear way of highlighting the club and fans victim complex in every thing you say and do.

Not exclusive to any one thing.

"Liverpool fans cracked a young girl's head open"

"Why aren't you talking about the mean words that hurt our feelings?!"
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yep.
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PL match on 1 April (that's a good one, too, isn't it?)

It's by no means impossible that we get drawn against them in the CL before that. If it's over two legs then I'm frankly expecting the worst. Especially at their place.

Correction: just had a closer look at the dates. It can't happen until April, at the earliest.
 
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sandonsid said:
As a Liverpool fan I am ashamed of the scum who threw missiles into your end last night. It's cowardly. Looking on RAWK some reds saw missiles thrown last night and have said they will report it.
I follow Liverpool home and away and the only fans we have trouble with are united, Chelsea,Everton and recently you lot. The fans of those clubs all have one thing in common, they are the most vociferous with their heysel, Hillsborough and (bar everton) anti Scouse songs. Of course forest are trying to join the group now.
We can go to any other away game and it's a pleasant experience, even at arsenal,spurs,West ham and Leeds.
Reading these posts on here I can only hope you are just being brave behind your keyboards because if you came out with the abuse you spout on here you'd get a kicking sooner or later.
I met city fans at Leicester before the community shield and we got on well. The league game at anfield this season saw city fans in pubs around anfield getting no hassle at all
I am not making excuses but if you keep insulting fans all the time they will respond in kind.
We have very few hooligans, that isnt our thing these days. We learnt after heysel. Maybe that's the trouble, we are seen as a soft touch you can insult us all you like knowing you wont get battered. Would you goad leeds, millwall or united relentlessly? No of course not.
You lot are far from blameless. The Muppets next to the away fans for league games at the etihad do nothing but goad. Not to mention throwing coins.
You want it to stop......it'll take both sets f fans to have a look at their own behaviour
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PMSL, you are Stan Boardman and I claim my 5 giro's
 
inchy14 said:
No taunts about hillsborough but plenty about your fucking victimhood mentality. As for screw idiots you sing about munich, shipman, have Steua Bucharest banners at Everton.
You’re just a bunch of hypocrites who give out at every Opportunity but cry like fuck as soon as it’s back at you.
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Turkish flags at Leeds a few seasons ago.
Quite happy to mock the dead of other fanbases but constantly weaponise their own tradegy to justify cuntish behaviour.
 
uwerosler28 said:
It is not used in that context anymore , there are enough other reasons listed many times why that song is now sung and NONE relate to Hillsborough
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So Paris Champions League final (Liverpool fans) trouble without tickets or counterfeit tickets jumping the turnstiles never happened, did it ? Go and watch the replay of the final and take a look at the Liverpool end of the ground and fans standing on the stairs between seating sections,

again Klopp said

'Paris is big enough to go without a ticket and have a good time': Jurgen Klopp tells Liverpool fans to flock to France for the Champions League final regardless of having a ticket - even though the club's official guidance tells them NOT to go!​

www.dailymail.co.uk

Klopp tells Liverpool fans: Get to Paris for Champions League final!

Liverpool have booked a showdown with Real Madrid for May 28 in the French capital but they have been allocated less than 20,000 tickets in the 81,000 capacity Stade de France.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk


the reporting fans saying we had tickets hahahahahahahaha

 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
PL match on 1 April (that's a good one, too, isn't it?)

It's by no means impossible that we get drawn against them in the CL before that. If it's over two legs then I'm frankly expecting the worst. Especially at their place.
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Rather not get them in the Champions League. Or any English clubs tbh. Shite record against them aside, we play the cunts at least twice a season already, we're already going to play the dippers a minimum of 4 times this season and Chelsea 3 times. More interesting to play a side from the continent and the chance to go somewhere either new or that we haven't been in a while for an away day.
 
sandonsid said:
Always the victims is a shithouse way of taunting us about Hillsborough and you know it.
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You saying that - incorrectly - is EXACTLY the point of the song. Hillsborough was absolutely not your fans' fault. You were the victims of a perfect storm of incompetence and a long-term, determined attempt to cover up those failures. While there's still idiots who trot out the Sun's line, most know the true circumstances now.

But your fans have taken that appalling set of circumstances and overlaid it onto everything that's happened to you since, real or imagined.

Heysel - another combination of failures of officialdom but the defining act of that tragedy was the victims being killed when that wall collapsed, after your hooligan element had charged them. "But they threw things at us" or the ludicrous "I heard a lot of Southern accents" from your own. CEO or chairman, which led him to claim it was Chelsea hooligans. I don't know if he ever expressed contrition for that statement or not, but it was a classic case of "always the victims", being blamed for the mythical wrongdoing of another group of fans.

The whole Thatcher/anti-establishment thing (which is relatively new in my experience, like the last few years). "We boo the National Anthem because of Thatcher's attitude to Merseyside". But Thatcher wasn't the Queen, or even a member of the Royal Family. And many places suffered far worse than Liverpool, particularly the coal-mining areas. Again "always the victims".

The "Allez, allez, allez" song, particularly the line "battered in the streets". It clearly refers to just that one night in Kyiv, nothing else. Yet you made it about Sean Cox then created a media storm when the City players were heard to sing it on the flight back from Brighton. Again, always the victims.

This ridiculous thought transference that "We were justified in throwing flares and coins because someone (probably an Everton fan) wrote the word 'kopites' on a toilet door".

You rightly condemn the 'Sun was right' chant yet feel quite justified in mocking the hundreds of victims of mass murderer Harold Shipman. You mocked the Munich air disaster (as did quite a few City fans until we stamped it out) yet get upset when other fans sing 'Feed the scousers'.

Those, and other, things are what the song is about, not Hillsborough.

Always the fucking victims.
 
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ancoats said:
So Paris Champions League final (Liverpool fans) trouble without tickets or counterfeit tickets jumping the turnstiles never happened, did it ? Go and watch the replay of the final and take a look at the Liverpool end of the ground and fans standing on the stairs between seating sections,

again Klopp said

'Paris is big enough to go without a ticket and have a good time': Jurgen Klopp tells Liverpool fans to flock to France for the Champions League final regardless of having a ticket - even though the club's official guidance tells them NOT to go!​

www.dailymail.co.uk

Klopp tells Liverpool fans: Get to Paris for Champions League final!

Liverpool have booked a showdown with Real Madrid for May 28 in the French capital but they have been allocated less than 20,000 tickets in the 81,000 capacity Stade de France.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk


the reporting fans saying we had tickets hahahahahahahaha

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Mate I think we are agreeing with each other , the original quote said the song was a Hillsborough reference. I was saying it isn't there are many other reasons to sing it , such as the example you have given
 
A.J said:
As a scouse Liverpool supporter, I'm telling you these chants from City, and others, have ramped up recently and are playing the most significant part in the current ill feeling and incidents in our support, such as some of those occurring last night. Nor the football rivalry.

Both sides need to take responsibility was ultimately all I wanted to say. I'll leave it there for now.
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Let's look at the genesis of this intense rivalry - prior to Liverpool's fans trashing City's bus there was no issue.
City and City's fans impeccably observing and respecting the tribute to those who died on Leppings Lane on the 25th anniverary in 2014.
During that game Liverpool fans cheered and mocked Yaya Toure when taken off injured early in the game and after the game a minibus or coach was attacked.....
City showed great respect that day. The same can't be said from Liverpool fans.

Then the players coach was attacked. And City fans had now had enough and the gloves came off.
I personally don't like and would never sing the chant in question - the fact remains though that the actions - and disrespect to both MCFC and their fans - by Liverpool fans was the catalyst for what we are now witnessing.
Hold your hand up and take ownership of your fans behaviours regarding this escalation in trouble between the two clubs.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You saying that - incorrectly - is EXACTLY the point of the song. Hillsborough was absolutely not your fans' fault. You were the victims of a perfect storm of incompetence and a long-term, determined attempt to cover up those failures. While there's still idiots who trot out the Sun's line, most know the true circumstances now.

But your fans have taken that appalling set of circumstances and overlaid it onto everything that's happened to you since, real or imagined.

Heysel - another combination of failures of officialdom but the defining act of that tragedy was the victims being killed when that wall collapsed, after your hooligans element had charged them. "But they threw things at us", "I heard a lot of Southern accents" from your own. CEO or chairman, which led him to claim it was Chelsea hooligans. I don't know if he ever expressed contrition for that statement or not, but it was a classic case of "always the victims", being blamed for the mythical wrongdoing of another group of fans.

The whole Thatcher/anti-establishment thing (which is relatively new in my experience, like the last few years). "We boo the National Anthem because of Thatcher's attitude to Merseyside". But Thatcher wasn't the Queen, or even a member of the Royal Family. And many places suffered far worse than Liverpool, particularly the coal-mining areas. Again "always the victims".

The "Allez, allez, allez" son, particularly the line "battered in the streets". It clearly refers to just that one night in Kyiv, nothing else. Yet you made it about Sean Coxm then created a media storm when the City players were heard to sing it on the flight back from Brighton. Again, always the victims.

This ridiculous thought transference that "We were justified in throwing flares and coins because someone (probably an Everton fan) wrote the word 'kopites' on a toilet door".

You rightly condemn the 'Sun was right' chant yet feel quite justified in mocking the hundreds of victims of mass murderer Harold Shipman. You mocked the Munich air disaster (as did quite a few City fans until we stamped it out) yet get upset when other fans sing 'Feed the scousers'.

Those, and other, things are what the song is about, not Hillsborough.

Always the fucking victims.
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Thank you Colin, you have far more patience than me.
 
sandonsid said:
So what does it refer to? Everything but The blindingly obvious 30 year plus fight for the truth?
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It refers to the fact that you blame literally everything on everyone else. LFC: Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything.

39 people died at Heysel and your club decided to hold a trophy parade on the anniversary of the tragedy. Whose fault is that? Ours? Chelsea? The Queen? Thatcher?
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Let's look at the genesis of this intense rivalry - prior to Liverpool's fans trashing City's bus there was no issue.
City and City's fans impeccably observing and respecting the tribute to those who died on Leppings Lane on the 25th anniverary in 2014.
During that game Liverpool fans cheered and mocked Yaya Toure when taken off injured early in the game and after the game a minibus or coach was attacked.....
City showed great respect that day. The same can't be said from Liverpool fans.

Then the players coach was attacked. And City fans had now had enough and the gloves came off.
I personally don't like and would never sing the chant in question - the fact remains though that the actions - and disrespect to both MCFC and their fans - by Liverpool fans was the catalyst for what we are now witnessing.
Hold your hand up and take ownership of your fans behaviours regarding this escalation in trouble between the two clubs.
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No chance from the cult I’m afraid
 
A.J said:
Final, final post as I saw this and couldn't help but respond.

I had family and friends in the thick of it and know the impact on them. This isn't just football banter to many people.

If I started mouthing off about death to someone else who had been affected by it, even without the horrific circumstances of hillsborough, I would expect a smack in the mouth.

I'll leave it there.
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Thank fuck, good riddance.
 
uwerosler28 said:
Mate I think we are agreeing with each other , the original quote said the song was a Hillsborough reference. I was saying it isn't there are many other reasons to sing it , such as the example you have given
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yep matey

we are on the same page ? i think hahahah
 
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