PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

UsFansKnowNowt said:
I feel sorry for those fans who still have to go into a workplace or school! Every day could yet feel like the day after a derby defeat for months to come. In short, it's very depressing.

That said however, I think we will eventually produce documentation to discount any claims of wrong doing less those rather subjective charges of failure to help the Premier League's investigation. In fact, I'm convinced the Premier League only put those there so once we can prove our innocence, they can justify their actions and avoid complete ridicule by saying that if they had everything City supplied prior to the hearing, it could have been avoided!

In fact neither the Premier League nor City benefit by any of this and I am certain the Premier League's actions are being forced by certain clubs, who may well have forced the Premier League's hand by threatening to support independent regulation unless they charged us.

The whole scenario is awkward for the Premier League and a bloody nightmare for City, because in essence, the innuendo and besmirching that our club's name now finds itself under is far worse than any fine, points deduction or relegation. All those are inconsequential to having every media outlet openly undermine every effort this club has made for 15 years!

Frankly, regardless of any beating of the charges, the shit has stuck and I am not sure how we can ever hope to reestablish our good name even if completely exonerated.

Of course, if in some way we have all been too optimistic and we are proved to be conclusively guilty as charged, then I believe the only solution would be to somehow have the club dissolved and reformed under new fan led ownership, and reclimb the football pyramid from the bottom. Rangers did it and frankly most Rangers fans I know are glad that the club reformed as it gave the a complete reboot.

Strangely, what I don't want is some middle ground outcome of being guilty and trying to carry on as normal after a points deduction, relegation or huge fine. That will leave our club in complete limbo and a laughing stock for all eternity.
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This kind of thing is exactly what the likes of Arsenal, Scum and Dippers want. Start a Newco City consigned to mediocrity for the rest of time. There is no way a fan led club can compete with billionaire owners, this isn't Rangers where there are only 2 clubs really in the country.

We would never see City win anything again, mission accomplished for the old guard. I think they fine us or deduct points on their trumped up charges but if that leaves us in the prem then who cares.

I'm confident in the club to fight this all the way to the bitter end, let's have it.
 
fulhamfever said:
They will try to make an example out of CITY always do.
They won't fine CITY as it's easy money to pay.

Hope they beat the case but lets see, all these sharks UNITED, ARSENAL, LIVERPOOL all circling trying to get CITY done.
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That's the favoured option by any governing body in football. If they expel us they won't get a brass farthing. Points deduction(?) but a whopping fine that keeps the PL living in the lap of luxury!
 
Blue spoon said:
I don’t think they’ll strip our titles. How can they. It will kick off a massive shitstorm.

However we may have to accept an asterisk * next to the title wins if we get found guilty. I could probably live with that as we’d still officially be champions.
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Hmmmm
 
Tricky_Trev said:
They might have an ex-city player/staff providing evidence. I don’t know how likely that is but it’s crossed my mind. Would help them no end in proving that we made image rights payments off the books, or that people received part of their pay in alternative ways, off of City’s books. But I don’t know how it works - if someone was able to show they received payments in such a fashion, are they able to say that and not face any consequences themselves? I’m rambling, just thoughts that I’ve had.
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Afaik, we have never denied paying separately for image rights. What I think happened is that we sold those rights to a company which then paid the players image fees. It was common practice at the time. The Inland Revenue ruled that those arrangements were tax avoidance as image fees were part of remuneration and we repatriated the rights pdq.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
Yes indeed. There's a lot NEEDS doing but the regulator will have to have integrity and a concern for football which goes way beyond a concern for football finance. What worries me is that we have a government which sees everything as a public finance problem which has to be solved by "balancing the books". This is the equivalent of UEFA's beloved break even rule and so I find them a bit too much "American" for my liking.
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Wait till next season when all teams will wear helmets and shoulder pads
 
IcriedwhenTueartleft said:
That's a slightly biased view of Ranger's previous woes.
You were placed into administration and then liquidated because the tax avoidance scheme was illegal and you owed HMRC a heck of a lot of money, it was effectively HMRC who forced RFC into liquidation as they rejected (as did the vast majority of creditors) the CVA proposed by the club. As regards your claims about Celtic (who I have little time for either),that is not wholly correct either as it was the SPL league clubs who refused by 10-1 votes to allow you back into the SPL, not just Celtic.
You are certainly right about City though.
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It was Celtic who came up with the idea under the guise of ‘ sporting integrity ‘. Other clubs, thinking they might be in with a better chance of winning trophies gleefully jumped into bed with them.

The EBT tax scheme was not illegal at the time it was used by the club and was declared with all the relevant authorities, including the SFA. however years later, HMRC decided they wanted tax paid back on that scheme and so pursued the club retrospectively.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
Another thing ! The endless anti City propaganda is akin to the Nazi’s in the run up to the holocaust, we even had our very own krystallnacht when the scousers smashed up our bus. It’s also quite interesting that City were many years ago ie when my dad was a kid, thought of as a club with large Jewish support.
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There has been a propaganda war going on since we were bought, and IMO this is one of the few areas that our board/owner have largely been very poor in defending City and us the fans.

Hopefully they now realise their passive policy has been totally ineffective in stemming the constant flow of shit and untruths that have been allowed to not only be constantly repeated but are now believed by a large proportion to be true, no matter how bizarre the lie alongside the constant cheating accusations and again IMO large amount of racism.

Anyhow, we still have a large Jewish fan base and comparing our current predicament with what happened with the Nazis and the Holocaust and Kristallnacht with the smashing of our coach are comparisons that really have no bearing on one to the other and are inappropriate to use.
 
wolviedinho said:
So if the club did not give the premier league what they gave CAS, you have to wonder why not? We seem to be playing a dangerous game. On one hand, we did not want to give over documents to be leaked and for our competition to get an insight into our business. Which is understandable and on the other hand by not giving the premier league what they want we knew it would lead to another independent review. The breakdown in our relationship with the premiership is staggering. So we must know how this is going to play out just like CAS. We have the proof but witheld it until the private review takes place.

What is City’s play in all this? Forget the cheating angle for a second. Seems we are playing a long game here, almost an ambush if you will to change what exactly?

Either we have balls of steel or we already know what the outcome of this Independent review will be. Very devious if it works and based on CAS why should it not. The trap is set.
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We have always stated we wanted the facts of the case looked at independently as we don't trust the Premier League, or the clubs behind the scenes pulling the strings. We don't want to hand over information to a body that will leak it to our competitors, facts are that's exactly what will happen it's been proven over the journey.

I have to much faith in our clubs hierarchy, based on their business reputations to know they aren't playing a game here or a risky one. They're very cold and calculated business people who deal with a lot more powerful bodies then the Premier League daily. I think we know exactly what we're doing and what's at stake.
 
Considering the almost universal praise Martin Samuel gets on here, you'd think people would be able to spell his name correctly.
 
AdamMarrett said:
We have always stated we wanted the facts of the case looked at independently as we don't trust the Premier League, or the clubs behind the scenes pulling the strings. We don't want to hand over information to a body that will leak it to our competitors, facts are that's exactly what will happen it's been proven over the journey.

I have to much faith in our clubs hierarchy, based on their business reputations to know they aren't playing a game here or a risky one. They're very cold and calculated business people who deal with a lot more powerful bodies then the Premier League daily. I think we know exactly what we're doing and what's at stake.
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Yea I get all that but don’t be fooled into thinking we are not up to something here that will benefit the club down the road. As you said, cold and calculated business men who didn’t even break a sweat when the premier ambushed us. You can’t even find the story on the OS. They don’t give a shit and I want to know why lol.
 
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