PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

blueparrot said:
Don't think anyone can know for sure either way to be honest. Especially as they can be pretty certain of hedging their bets with a big non coperation fine.
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I'll add to that, that we Can actually know for sure. At least with Uefa's side of it, which I compared to it. From Letreme's latest comments, which show clearly they didn't just posture investigating us with the knowledge they would fail to fend off pressure from the cartel, they genuinely wanted to do us in, and believed they could. I know you are talking about the PL, and I accept that, but I am applying the same logic to both.
 
Coatigan said:
I could see that, entirely possible. Having beem pushed to look at it though, and having spent 4 years looking at it, for them not to align their conclusions with the now documented cas verdict, they must think they have something worth slinging and hoping it sticks, is all I am saying. I just can not accept the belief that they, along with their lawyers, would put themselves in a position of putting charges out that they knew were a waste of time. Not 100+ of them, and not with the fallout on their whole product, the league.
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I suppose for their own process, they can't just rely on some other process. I think they need to finalise their own process to their own satisfaction. But we aren't cooperating, so we move to the "independent" committee.
 
bumbleblue said:
£10 Billion investment into our skint economy and the PL basically accuse senior Members of the investors Royal family and government of being dishonest and underhand.. would this not lead to potential criminal charges and a diplomatic issue and the 10 Bill off the table?? Am genuinely confused at just what the PL hope to gain.
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The powers that be/media are quite conflicted about inward investment though aren't they? Sure, we need the money and they love the money, but they can't help insulting foreign investors at the same time because it offends their sense of superiority. Especially where soft power is concerned. The phrase sportswashing says it all....it basically says 'your money must be dirty, even though energy is a perfectly legitimate business that makes the world go around, and you're so desperate to impress us and we're so important you're laundering your money through football clubs to impress us'.

Look how when Rwanda started sponsoring Arsenal people were mortified, couldn't accept it's a fast growing economy, and wanted to define Rwanda entirely by the war...which they never would've done if it had been a Visit Croatia campaign. And take Qatar, all the criticism at the World Cup conveniently left out all the high street businesses that Qatar owns or is invested in...don't see anyone protesting outside Sainsbury's or Heathrow do you? Because it wasn't about human rights, really - even though we should defend human rights universally, (which we don't, I'd be amazed if anyone complains about mass killings, mass incarceration, Roe Vs Wade or gives a second thought to the use of prison labour and the conditions they work and live under when the US World Cup's on.

So I doubt anybody is arsed about the diplomatic element. They just want to please American investors, make the league more ''competitive' by hobbling us, and punish us for having the temerity to go from being a badly run club to a relatively well run club because our success makes insecure people feel bad.
 
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Coatigan said:
I could see that, entirely possible. Having beem pushed to look at it though, and having spent 4 years looking at it, for them not to align their conclusions with the now documented cas verdict, they must think they have something worth slinging and hoping it sticks, is all I am saying. I just can not accept the belief that they, along with their lawyers, would put themselves in a position of putting charges out that they knew were a waste of time. Not 100+ of them, and not with the fallout on their whole product, the league.
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That's the thing they can't align it with the CAS verdict as the time barred evidence City have wasn't presented

The EPL want to see this evidence and this is what this is really about, seeing what City have to refute the EPLs claims, once that's looked at this whole thing falls apart and City know it hence

"we look forward to putting this thing to bed once and for all"
 
bumbleblue said:
£10 Billion investment into our skint economy and the PL basically accuse senior Members of the investors Royal family and government of being dishonest and underhand.. would this not lead to potential criminal charges and a diplomatic issue and the 10 Bill off the table?? Am genuinely confused at just what the PL hope to gain.
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Tell us there’s no independent regulator and the case dies???
 
Skip Donoghue said:
That's the thing they can't align it with the CAS verdict as the time barred evidence City have wasn't presented

The EPL want to see this evidence and this is what this is really about, seeing what City have to refute the EPLs claims, once that's looked at this whole thing falls apart and City know it hence

"we looked forward to putting this thing to bed once and for all"
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They have all the files from the cas case
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
That's my own gut feeling.

If we take out all the conspiracy theories, the only one which makes sense is that any smoking gun would have been used in a period where we left Liverpool crying in to their beer.

It's a CAS re-run in all but name, with some of the timelines being widened to achieve a better outcome?

For who, that is the question!

I'm encouraged by the timing, as it has also been done to impact us in the title race, which again smacks of desperation, rather than a gotcha moment.

Four years, and both sides not wanting the details of the investigation in the public domain?

What do they call it in the States? Double Jeopardy, no?

We have three strikes and you're out here!
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Yep double jeopardy.. cannot try a party for the same crime twice.. you get 1 shot.

But what really is most concerning is do we have a route to appeal in courts?
 
Bill the Blue said:
Just stepping back and weighing things up here..

We were taken over in 2008 and had investment pumped into our club to enable us to complete with the likes of the rags, dippers, tarquins and chavs who between them had enjoyed a bit of a carve up with regards to winning leagues and cups and in turn benefitting from the millions of £'s CL qualification had to offer.

In what then appeared to be a fit of panic, new PL rules were quickly being assembled to ensure we wouldn't be to gate-crash the closed shop party.

However, because we were professional, clever and smart, we managed to get into the castle just before the drawbridge closed.

Obviously, the usual suspects were well pissed off..

From thereon in, not only did we build a team capable of competing with the chosen few, we assembled a management infrastructure that blew the old guard completely away.

The old ways where owners such as the Glazers, Kronke's and FSG's systematically syphoned off £100's of millions out of their clubs was being shown up for what it was..'pure greed'..!

The Glazers have taken out £1.1 billion pounds out of the rags since 2005 and have still not repaid anything anywhere near substantial off the £500 million pounds debt they originally dumped on the club.

Not a fkin peep about about this from the cnuts in the media btw..

Bingo, constantly whinging about the unfairness of it all whilst wasting untold millions on cart horses, this after spending £130 million pounds plus on a goalie and centre back. The fkin hypocrite..

City's new owners were not only investing in the team and management infanstructure, they were investing in East Manchester, generating 100's of local jobs, building a state of the art training complex and extending and improving stadium facilities..

All along, during this time you had the usual suspects looking at what we were doing with complete disgust..

City's owners were showing the rest of the PL and wider watching world how a football club should be run..

The watching world however were not impressed. They were far from happy that our club had 'elbowed it's way', albeit legitimately, onto the top table.

The G14 were getting rather pissed off too it seemed.

City soon faced charges of cheating and corruption, threats of CL expulsion and heavy fines.

Yet another obstacle for us to climb over.

Well guess what, we faced these charges head on and not only were we cleared of all the shit levied at us, we once again showed up the entitled establishment for what it was, a jumped up kangaroo court, backed by jealous, greedy owners of clubs who over the years had creamed off untold £millions without a thought for anyone else..

Over all this time, City went about their business on the field, playing mesmerising football, breaking record after record and winning stuff..

Let's not forget, Silva, Toure, Zabletta, Hart, Lescott, Clichy, Aguero, Nazri, Dzeko, Barry and the like were not the established world stars of the day.

I remember the media piss taking by one and all when Kaka turned us down, what was it ? Oh yeah, "you might have the money but you haven't got the class or history"..

They soon changed their tune however, when from 8 points behind with 6 games to play in 2012, we won the league in scenes that will never be bettered on SKYsports TV..

It was written in the stars that Ferguson and his rags team would win the PL that year.

Let's not forget, it would have been the rags 5th PL title in 6 years, btw, not a fkin peep out of the media twats about how unfair the rags dominance was back then, not a fkin squeak..

Ferguson had already been humiliated at the swamp 6-1 and had lost the return game at the Etihad in the most one sided1-0 you will ever had seen.

His team shit themselves that night and never crossed the halfway line, let alone had a shot on our goal..

Sergio's goal killed him, his team and the PL on that day.

At that precise time, I can safely say that I had never been happier in life..

Behind the scenes though, the chosen few were boiling with rage.

Not only had City beaten them on the pitch, they had fkin smashed them off it too..

The powers that be then wheeled in VAR and sold it as the tool to end all doubt, no more grey areas, dodgy decisions, unfair calls and confusion.

It's been and still is a clusterfuck of epic proportions, Rashford's 'goal' was a fkin bent, blatent cheating, scandalous fkin decision..

Fast forward to today, the chavs ownership has changed and yet another yank has appeared on the scene.


The chavs have managed to write off £1.5 billion pounds worth of loans Abramovich had saddled them with and they have just gone and spunked in the region of £600 million on new players.

Not a fkin peep out of the twats at SKY or the usual media twats about FFP, dodgy dealings or unfairness of it all, not a fkin peep..

The rags and dippers are now being hawked around all and sundry and my guess is it's because their yank owners have finally realised that we in the UK are not the US.

We don't run our football clubs as franchises where there is no relegation or promotion and you get to cream the money off year in year out..

You invest, build, nurture, manage and plan. You then compete on a level playing field and work hard to win stuff..

Apparently not any more you fkin don't..!

In yet another roll of the dice, the PL have delved back in time to 2009 to rummage through our accounts to see what they can now stick us with..

Our accounts that btw have been meticulously pawed over time and again prior to being signed off as true and correct back in the day..

Never mind that though, over 100 charges apparently, all the usual suspects are now giddy as fcuk, baying for us to be hit with relegation, title stripping, expulsion, points deduction... All of these they all scream..

Well guess what you bunch of bent fcukers, we've beaten you on and off the pitch, we've beaten you at the CAS and I have 100% faith that we'll beat you again..

Our owners have remained firm time and again and have shown their commitment to City by fighting all these allegations off for years and I'm certain that they are not going to throw the towel in now.

We are a £4billion pound giant of the game with the highest turnover in world football..

That's why I have complete trust in the guys that run our club..

That's why I know we're not going to go away into the darkness lightly..

That's why I'm confident that we are going to straighten this out once and for all..

However, I don't want us just to finally clear our name, I want my pound of flesh..

I sincerely hope that we blow these fcukers out of the water and if that means we sue their arses off in court after this is done and the PL collapses into itself then that'll be a good start as far as I'm concerned..


We have been waiting for this day to finally arrive, we will be fully prepared and I'm convinced that we'll prevail..!
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halfcenturyup said:
I suppose for their own process, they can't just rely on some other process. I think they need to finalise their own process to their own satisfaction. But we aren't cooperating, so we move to the "independent" committee.
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Of course not, I agree, and I wasn't really suggesting that. Just that the other process would make them reaching the same conclusion through their own process far more understandable, and logical. Or for those hoping for a different outcome, more palatable. Which only reinforces my point, the accusations are because they think there is something worth accusing us of, and not just to appear to be doing so.
 
Coatigan said:
Of course not, I agree, and I wasn't really suggesting that. Just that the other process would make them reaching the same conclusion through their own process far more understandable, and logical. Or for those hoping for a different outcome, more palatable. Which only reinforces my point, the accusations are because they think there is something worth accusing us of, and not just to appear to be doing so.
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Fairy nuff.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
That's the thing they can't align it with the CAS verdict as the time barred evidence City have wasn't presented

The EPL want to see this evidence and this is what this is really about, seeing what City have to refute the EPLs claims, once that's looked at this whole thing falls apart and City know it hence

"we look forward to putting this thing to bed once and for all"
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This is why I’m confident we will come out this without anything serious. The club are clearly confident they have the evidence to counter their charges. That last line of the clubs official statement is going to look daft if the inquiry do find any discrepancies within our books.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not sure the PL are up to anything really other than following the rules for the agreed process. It is the club that is withholding information so we can present it to the independent committee, clearly not trusting the people involved in the actual investigation, so I am not sure what else the PL could have done but charge the club for the things that weren't contested with documentation and other evidence.

So we go to the committee. All seems uncontroversial to me.
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Sometimes the most simplest of explanations is the most likely
 
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