Why are we hated so much?

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

Arsenal don’t hate City - we hate Spurs and to a lesser extent, Man Utd. Most Arsenal fans don’t have an issue with City though as we are currently challenging you for the title, we will want you to drop points, obviously.

When we were taken over, I noticed Arsenal fans more than many others were taking the piss, saying no amount of money would make City successful and generally being fucking weird about it. How did that turn out!

Been a good few games over the years against Arsenal and your fans for whatever reason seem to think you are one of the ‘istree’ clubs, and you should have some divine right to be above us.

The Adebayor game your fans were racist and definitively full of hate for him and City, they definitely got what they deserved that day. The fact your fans were so racist in that game was very strange seeing as your fan base and team have such a strong multi racial following.

I personally dislike Arsenal the football club more than your actual fan base (don’t know too many Arsenal fans), as your club alongside the dickhead red shirt clubs here in the north have been constantly conspiring against City since day one of our takeover, pure fûcking jealously is the reason, and obviously we have taken 100s of millions from what your clubs board and in some degree your fans thought you had some never ending divine right too, you didn’t and hence this constant background noise City have had to face since your club and the other red teams realised our owner actually meant what he stated when he arrived.

You seem a decent poster mostly, and if your team wins the title then I expect that if you have any City supporting mates they will congratulate you personally, but not your actual club and it’s owners. They are fucking hate driven cunts who constantly conspire with others and feed the media and FA/EPL/UEFA their lies and hate about my club, just because we actually started to win and win consistently.

Our owner not only stated how they would make City successful as a club, but as an actual business (which football is and always has been for most owners), but actually have followed through with that promise to create a club and business model that these fuckers never could have dreamed up of in a million years, so fuck Arsenal and it’s owner/s and everything those complete cunts stand for.

 

[Jack Hackett]

I think, like us, your fanbase has changed a lot in the last 20 years. I've met a lot of "old school" Arsenal fans on England cricket tours and they're good lads. It might be a generational thing, but I think maybe it's your younger, newer fans that give the rest of you a reputation for being fickle and sulky. I really don't think Arsenal Fan TV does you any favours either.

You might be right but I wouldn’t say all younger fans. There is an element like in all clubs of idiots. Don’t be taken in by AFTV. I stopped watching it years ago when it started to provide a platform for some of those idiots. I’ve never been in tour with the barmy army but I’d like to one day. Maybe our next Ashes tour down under or Sri Lanka (I’ve always fancied that).

 

[John Wayne]

You might be right but I wouldn’t say all younger fans. There is an element like in all clubs of idiots. Don’t be taken in by AFTV. I stopped watching it years ago when it started to provide a platform for some of those idiots. I’ve never been in tour with the barmy army but I’d like to one day. Maybe our next Ashes tour down under or Sri Lanka (I’ve always fancied that).

Sri Lanka is incredible. Probably my favourite alongside South Africa. NZ and Australia are great, but I feel I'm wasting too much time at cricket when there's so much more to see and do.

Back to AFTV, I take your point. I think the latter Wenger years and hostility towards him also created a negative impression for the neutrals.

 

[wolviedinho]

United new stadium? -:)

The oil toilet?

 

[Jack Hackett]

You probably don’t but the majority of you’re fan base do hate City, like others have said social media plays a huge part in this.

It might seem that way to you but I’d dispute there being a majority. Whatever animus comes your way is as nothing compared to that reserved for Spurs or United. If anything our distaste for Liverpool is much greater. You have to remember in recent years many Arsenal fans admire the football you play and see Pep as bringing style and class to English football, especially when bashing up United and Liverpool stopping them from dominating.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Arsenal don’t hate City - we hate Spurs and to a lesser extent, Man Utd. Most Arsenal fans don’t have an issue with City though as we are currently challenging you for the title, we will want you to drop points, obviously.

Not true. I’ve had four or five significant issues with your fans in pubs, on trains and at the match. We stripped your club of players and beat you constantly. The hatred is there.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Not true. I’ve had four or five significant issues with your fans in pubs, on trains and at the match. We stripped your club of players and beat you constantly. The hatred is there.

We‘ll have to agree to differ…that’s not my experience

 

[MCFC Wirral]

We‘ll have to agree to differ…that’s not my experience

I’ve never had it worse in London.

 

[DenisHasDoneIt]

Journalists have got tired explaining how good we are in return for slim ‘like’ and retweet returns. The power exerted by the armchair couch-potato fan is huge. So what this means for journalists is that there are a guaranteed 5 gazillion Man Ushited fans, 4.5 gazillion Livarpool fans, and 4.5 gazillion Mardarsenal fans who’ve just got just enough functioning opposable thumbs to operate a smart phone, a TV remote and a bag of Kettle chips to generate a heck of a lot on online noise. City’s couch-potato crowd is nowhere near.

Manchester City’s on the pitch excellence in the last 10 years - taken to near-earth orbit under the Bald One, and translated into trophies, profits, and much boiled piss elsewhere - has not however yielded a proportionate surge in online City fans. Sure, we’ll have had an increase, but in PL terms, we’re no more than in the mix for the Europa league.

I suspect that the media somehow think we don’t as a fan base deserve the team we’ve got, because there aren’t nearly enough of us out there in the Twattersphere validating their content. A club’s base strength used to be measured by the size of the match day crowd. That doesn’t apply anymore. The average keyboard warrior in Lagos telling multiple PL winner and Champions League final scorer Ole Gunnar Solksjær to ‘get out of my club’ - a club whose home ground he hopes one day actually to visit - has got way more influence than any of us match-going normies want to acknowledge.

You can’t change a negative mindset towards a group you identify with; if it’s important to you, you can be the City fan that fans of other clubs would remember as “alright, for a City fan” - heavens, we all know United fans who aren’t out-and-out morons. As for the media, though, forget it. When we’ve grown into the global behemoth that would make us too big to belittle, we’d be unrecognisable as the club we fell for. Be careful what you wish for, and up the Blues.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Because we’re good, very good and the rest want what we have.

Likely true…success can provoke rancour in other clubs’ fans

 

[Jack Hackett]

Journalists have got tired explaining how good we are in return for slim ‘like’ and retweet returns. The power exerted by the armchair couch-potato fan is huge. So what this means for journalists is that there are a guaranteed 5 gazillion Man Ushited fans, 4.5 gazillion Livarpool fans, and 4.5 gazillion Mardarsenal fans who’ve just got just enough functioning opposable thumbs to operate a smart phone, a TV remote and a bag of Kettle chips to generate a heck of a lot on online noise. City’s couch-potato crowd is nowhere near.

Manchester City’s on the pitch excellence in the last 10 years - taken to near-earth orbit under the Bald One, and translated into trophies, profits, and much boiled piss elsewhere - has not however yielded a proportionate surge in online City fans. Sure, we’ll have had an increase, but in PL terms, we’re no more than in the mix for the Europa league.

I suspect that the media somehow think we don’t as a fan base deserve the team we’ve got, because there aren’t nearly enough of us out there in the Twattersphere validating their content. A club’s base strength used to be measured by the size of the match day crowd. That doesn’t apply anymore. The average keyboard warrior in Lagos telling multiple PL winner and Champions League final scorer Ole Gunnar Solksjær to ‘get out of my club’ - a club whose home ground he hopes one day actually to visit - has got way more influence than any of us match-going normies want to acknowledge.

You can’t change a negative mindset towards a group you identify with; if it’s important to you, you can be the City fan that fans of other clubs would remember as “alright, for a City fan” - heavens, we all know United fans who aren’t out-and-out morons. As for the media, though, forget it. When we’ve grown into the global behemoth that would make us too big to belittle, we’d be unrecognisable as the club we fell for. Be careful what you wish for, and up the Blues.

An interesting perspective with I feel, more than a grain of truth. If the PL is to continue to thrive it needs to hold out the promise of success to all clubs…not just those at the top. A league won each year by Man Utd would soon lose interest. How you achieve that, I’ve no idea. FFP is a crude instrument that really doesn’t work, to my mind.

 

[Username Required]

Journalists have got tired explaining how good we are in return for slim ‘like’ and retweet returns. The power exerted by the armchair couch-potato fan is huge. So what this means for journalists is that there are a guaranteed 5 gazillion Man Ushited fans, 4.5 gazillion Livarpool fans, and 4.5 gazillion Mardarsenal fans who’ve just got just enough functioning opposable thumbs to operate a smart phone, a TV remote and a bag of Kettle chips to generate a heck of a lot on online noise. City’s couch-potato crowd is nowhere near.

Manchester City’s on the pitch excellence in the last 10 years - taken to near-earth orbit under the Bald One, and translated into trophies, profits, and much boiled piss elsewhere - has not however yielded a proportionate surge in online City fans. Sure, we’ll have had an increase, but in PL terms, we’re no more than in the mix for the Europa league.

I suspect that the media somehow think we don’t as a fan base deserve the team we’ve got, because there aren’t nearly enough of us out there in the Twattersphere validating their content. A club’s base strength used to be measured by the size of the match day crowd. That doesn’t apply anymore. The average keyboard warrior in Lagos telling multiple PL winner and Champions League final scorer Ole Gunnar Solksjær to ‘get out of my club’ - a club whose home ground he hopes one day actually to visit - has got way more influence than any of us match-going normies want to acknowledge.

You can’t change a negative mindset towards a group you identify with; if it’s important to you, you can be the City fan that fans of other clubs would remember as “alright, for a City fan” - heavens, we all know United fans who aren’t out-and-out morons. As for the media, though, forget it. When we’ve grown into the global behemoth that would make us too big to belittle, we’d be unrecognizable as the club we fell for. Be careful what you wish for, and up the Blues.

The average keyboard warrior in Lagos telling multiple PL winner and Champions League final scorer Ole Gunnar Solksjær to ‘get out of my club’ - a club whose home ground he hopes one day actually to visit - has got way more influence than any of us match-going normies want to acknowledge.

 

[Tolmie scores]

Has we are well aware there are rags and dipper armchair supporters in every hamlet town and city in the British isles and we don’t really garner that same support at the moment. And the media are well aware of this and write stories for them to bask in reflected glory. An example of this I was in transit at an airport in the Far East and got chatting to a guy from Sunderland in the smoking room and the subject was always going to be about football,so I asked how the black cats would get on this season and he said no idea he was a rag fan. Promptly stub my fag and walked out.

I don't understand this insatiable need to get xx amount of 'fans' who are say....builders or farmers from .. I don't know...Lagos or Dakar they have pretty limited impact re improving finances. Mainly though i think people not supporting a team that they have some links to is pretty poor for football. I watch Enfield now but have been a city 'supporter' since being born in North Manc with avid City supporting dad and family members...but i wouldn't 'start' supporting City just because they were good. I'd be an Enfield Supporter, not just the spectator I am probably. I think that's how it should be. All these 'fans' from around the world are basically blokes who like having a few beers in the bar with the match on TV. They are hardly fans...and i bet not many go and put their effort into supporting say..AS Dakur which, as a football fan is probably where there first love should lie, helping local team, economy, community etc

 

[Tolmie scores]

An interesting perspective with I feel, more than a grain of truth. If the PL is to continue to thrive it needs to hold out the promise of success to all clubs…not just those at the top. A league won each year by Man Utd would soon lose interest. How you achieve that, I’ve no idea. FFP is a crude instrument that really doesn’t work, to my mind.

I like your posts Jack and i know your above the 'Istry bollocks bit it's the most ridiculous thing fans spout... I think it's the bullshit No 'Istry thing that annoys most fans. For a club that was established in 1880! and won the FA Cup in 1904 and nearly won the double that year! finished narrowly runners up. Have a very sizeable match going fan base....held the record 84,600 or thereabouts in 1934 ..no club has beaten that in their own stadium. But all clubs have History from say Bromley to Arsenal. No has more claim to History - just different levels of success at different times. Obviously key board warrior types also select periods of 'istry to start using as a bench mark. I mean City won the FA Cup BEFORE....Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd....so the no 'stry tag we get from a lot of opposition fans is annoying as many are not just being WUM's but generally ignorant of their own 'istry when calmly quizzed!

 

[Jack Hackett]

I like your posts Jack and i know your above the 'Istry bollocks bit it's the most ridiculous thing fans spout... I think it's the bullshit No 'Istry thing that annoys most fans. For a club that was established in 1880! and won the FA Cup in 1904 and nearly won the double that year! finished narrowly runners up. Have a very sizeable match going fan base....held the record 84,600 or thereabouts in 1934 ..no club has beaten that in their own stadium. But all clubs have History from say Bromley to Arsenal. No has more claim to History - just different levels of success at different times. Obviously key board warrior types also select periods of 'istry to start using as a bench mark. I mean City won the FA Cup BEFORE....Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd....so the no 'stry tag we get from a lot of opposition fans is annoying as many are not just being WUM's but generally ignorant of their own 'istry when calmly quizzed!

City have a history most clubs would envy and I don’t mean the last 10 years. You’ve been league and FA Cup winners before then. Arsenal were formed in 1886 and didn’t win a trophy until 1930 (FA Cup) and their first league title was in 1931. Moving to North London in 1913 was a smart move (a fact that still riles Spurs to this day) and Herbert Norris was ‘shrewd’ enough to ensure our top flight status in 1919 (we’ve been there ever since). So, let’s respect each other’s histories and traditions but best to focus on the here and now.

By the way, when you won the league in 1968, you lost your league game at Highbury 4-1…just thought I’d mention that ;-)

 

[franksinatra]

City have a history most clubs would envy and I don’t mean the last 10 years. You’ve been league and FA Cup winners before then. Arsenal were formed in 1886 and didn’t win a trophy until 1930 (FA Cup) and their first league title was in 1931. Moving to North London in 1913 was a smart move (a fact that still riles Spurs to this day) and Herbert Norris was ‘shrewd’ enough to ensure our top flight status in 1919 (we’ve been there ever since). So, let’s respect each other’s histories and traditions but best to focus on the here and now.

By the way, when you won the league in 1968, you lost your league game at Highbury 4-1…just thought I’d mention that ;-)

Great posts by the way Jack, but remember history is not defined by trophies and success. I would not be arrogant enough to say our history is any better, than say Notts County (the oldest club) as history is always special and unique to those passing through it.

Also we never lost 4-1 it was 1-0 at Highbury.

 

[Tolmie scores]

City have a history most clubs would envy and I don’t mean the last 10 years. You’ve been league and FA Cup winners before then. Arsenal were formed in 1886 and didn’t win a trophy until 1930 (FA Cup) and their first league title was in 1931. Moving to North London in 1913 was a smart move (a fact that still riles Spurs to this day) and Herbert Norris was ‘shrewd’ enough to ensure our top flight status in 1919 (we’ve been there ever since). So, let’s respect each other’s histories and traditions but best to focus on the here and now.

By the way, when you won the league in 1968, you lost your league game at Highbury 4-1…just thought I’d mention that ;-)

oh i totally get Arsenal's rich history, wasn't having a pop. i was just highlighting the ridiculousness of those that start with no 'istree. Arsenal's Chapman era for one really helped professionalised the game, encouraging owners to spend big (The Bank of England Club as know your aware). What i was referring to is that all football fans should call out those who spout 'stry..as the complete morons they are.

 

[Jack Hackett]

oh i totally get Arsenal's rich history, wasn't having a pop. i was just highlighting the ridiculousness of those that start with no 'istree. Arsenal's Chapman era for one really helped professionalised the game, encouraging owners to spend big (The Bank of England Club as know your aware). What i was referring to is that all football fans should call out those who spout 'stry..as the complete morons they are.

I wasn’t suggesting you were having a ‘pop’. Just saying City should be proud of their history too. I agree with your last sentence. Those who spout it tend to be young know nothings who expect success not recognising that real fans of many years know success is rare and passing.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Great posts by the way Jack, but remember history is not defined by trophies and success. I would not be arrogant enough to say our history is any better, than say Notts County (the oldest club) as history is always special and unique to those passing through it.

Also we never lost 4-1 it was 1-0 at Highbury.

My bad…you were champions and we beat you at Highbury in the 68/69 season 4-1

 

[Jack Hackett]

Great posts by the way Jack, but remember history is not defined by trophies and success. I would not be arrogant enough to say our history is any better, than say Notts County (the oldest club) as history is always special and unique to those passing through it.

Also we never lost 4-1 it was 1-0 at Highbury.

Interesting facts.

Juventus wear black and white striped shirts because their first ones were given to them by Notts County.

We (Arsenal) have red shirts because we were gifted them by Nottingham Forest. Herbert Chapman added the white sleeves.

Nottingham maybe should be where the football hall of fame is based? ;-)