VAR thread 2022/23

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halfcenturyup said:
Yep. Thanks for that, but it's just PR waffle.

How do they determine when the ball was played? It's manual isn't it? But this says "Hawk-Eye can use any broadcast camera to identify the point of contact with the ball". What I think they mean is that it enables a VAR operator to guess/ manipulate when the ball is kicked from any camera and then that moment is synchronised with all the other cameras to help determine the actual offside line, which again is done manually with the help of H-E correcting for perspective/parallax. Disingenuity in explanation.

But my point rather is how does the system, H-E is it?, draw the lines, at what angles, taking into account perspective and parallax, how and with what data points to fix the correction? I am at the point now where I feel like questioning every little thing they do and how they do it. Trust gone completely.

And it doesn't answer my question about the apparent bend in the offside line in the middle of the pitch. I suppose camber could be a reason, but the half way line and the grass lines don't show a corresponding distortion.

It doesn't matter. I am not expecting answers. It's just a reflection on my dissatisfaction with the whole thing and the growing realism that the system, like their lines, is bent.
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All the cameras have to be precisely calibrated on all 5 axis (roll, pitch, yaw, x, y). If any of those cameras are even slightly out of calibration then drawing the lines is essentially guess work.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
All the cameras have to be precisely calibrated on all 5 axis (roll, pitch, yaw, x, y). If any of those cameras are even slightly out of calibration then drawing the lines is essentially guess work.
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And we are dealing with people here who can't identify the appropriate defender to determine offside, forget to draw lines, think running with the ball and faking to shoot isn't interfering with an opponent and take ten minutes to fix a lineman's transmitter. Fills you with confidence, no?
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
How’s this not offside, either? What are the odds on our two main challengers getting dodgy offside goals given in their favour in the same weekend?

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Oh come on, neither of them touched the ball or interfered with an opponent attempting to play the ball. Affecting the goalkeeper's decision making isn't covered by the 4 letter of the law offside determinants. You know the rules.

So what I am saying is that they are not offside according to the letter of the law but it is subjective anyway.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Oh come on, neither of them touched the ball or interfered with an opponent attempting to play the ball. Affecting the goalkeeper's decision making isn't covered by the 4 letter of the law offside determinants. You know the rules.

So what I am saying is that they are not offside according to the letter of the law but it is subjective anyway.
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How’re they not blocking the keepers view?
 
Why add subjectivity to a rule that was perfectly fine as it was. If you're offside, you're offside. Whether you're "interfering" or not. What was wrong with it? We love to fuck with things that are perfectly fine. Then they don't fix things that truly spoil the game like persistant time wasting, crowding round the ref and throw ins (i fucking hate throw ins).
 
madloaf said:
Why add subjectivity to a rule that was perfectly fine as it was. If you're offside, you're offside. Whether you're "interfering" or not. What was wrong with it? We love to fuck with things that are perfectly fine. Then they don't fix things that truly spoil the game like persistant time wasting, crowding round the ref and throw ins (i fucking hate throw ins).
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When was interference not a consideration in judging if a player is offside?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
14th January, 2023.
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Too true.

Blimey Charlie, the so-called 'powers that be' in charge of the greatest game in the world have messed about with the laws of offside and handball so much these past few years that everyone's confused.

As for 'interference' under the offside law, though, there has always been the understanding, whatever iteration of offside may apply at any given time, that if a player goes for the ball the flag goes up.. except for when:

(a) it's against City
(b) it's at Old Trafford
(c) it's at Anfield
(d) especially if (b) and (c) apply to (a)

And that Arsenal goal at Villa was offside too..
 
madloaf said:
Why add subjectivity to a rule that was perfectly fine as it was. If you're offside, you're offside. Whether you're "interfering" or not. What was wrong with it? We love to fuck with things that are perfectly fine. Then they don't fix things that truly spoil the game like persistant time wasting, crowding round the ref and throw ins (i fucking hate throw ins).
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Well i was at Middlesboro when Tiatto scored that goal which was disgracefully disallowed due to Huckerbee being offside but not interfering…. So the old law was an ass….. Im not bitter tho ;)
 

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johnevans said:
Too true.

Blimey Charlie, the so-called 'powers that be' in charge of the greatest game in the world have messed about with the laws of offside and handball so much these past few years that everyone's confused.

As for 'interference' under the offside law, though, there has always been the understanding, whatever iteration of offside may apply at any given time, that if a player goes for the ball the flag goes up.. except for when:

(a) it's against City
(b) it's at Old Trafford
(c) it's at Anfield
(d) especially if (b) and (c) apply to (a)

And that Arsenal goal at Villa was offside too..
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Rule 742 - "Fuck it it's Man City"
 
Clear and fucking obvious. How Var didn't give a clear handball I don't know, other than they bottled it or worse, corruption. If they bottled it, its corrupt just the same.
 
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