PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[chaddblue]

I've been a City supporter since the mid-50's. Seen all the ups and downs, good seasons and bad, wins and failures. Wouldn't bother me too much even if we ended up in National League. Every away ground full, win almost every game, lower division team maybe winning FA cup and/or EFL cup, storming up the divisions.
Watching City win, against any team, is what I want.
Mind you, not sure if the likes of Erling, KdB, Jack and Pep will stay.

Not a single player would stay apart from a few younger and older fringe players !!

Anyway its not gonna happen so no point even talking about it

 

[Goatmeal]

FFS - It’s not a public football show!! It’s a serious legal issue & daily updates are not appropriate.

We’ll only hear when there’s a final result.

Wind your fucking neck in!!!

 

[wolviedinho]

Amongst all the PL rules, there must be one that implies, particularly in spirit; that ‘all clubs be treated equally’? The 4 year investigation into just our club, shows this doesn’t happen. Has any other PL club ever been under such investigations?

I think it’s time we released on headed paper a letter asking the premier league to investigate the other 19 clubs yearly financial statements.

Start with the rags and the dodgy offshore accounts then head to dipperland and ask why they made up a stadium rebuild to dodge ffp. Moving on down south to London and the hidden Russia ruble. Soft loan this and soft loan that. Maybe check in with the Rwanda relief club!

As for the rest…fuck em.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Said it before but I think these charges have their roots in the red clubs, the history teams.

They threatened to sell to the ME.
Then we got the charges.
Then they have cooled down on their threats to sell to the ME.

 

[richards30]

I think it’s time we released on headed paper a letter asking the premier league to investigate the other 19 clubs yearly financial statements.

Start with the rags and the dodgy offshore accounts then head to dipperland and ask why they made up a stadium rebuild to dodge ffp. Moving on down south to London and the hidden Russia ruble. Soft loan this and soft loan that. Maybe check in with the Rwanda relief club!

As for the rest…fuck em.

Amen to all of this mate!

 

[Chris in London]

We will get hit with non cooperation charges anyway?

Those are the only charges we are likely, on the basis of what is in the public domain so far, we are likely to go down on.

The PL investigation was commenced the day after Der Spiegel published the hacked emails. At an early stage in the investigation we were asked to disclose a series of documents. The Premier League was entitled to ask us for this under the rules, but we refused. The League then began a disciplinary procedure against us for failing to comply with the disclosure request. That disciplinary complaint was eventually allowed, and we appealed first to the High Court, then to the Court of Appeal. Those appeals were ultimately unsuccessful.

The net effect of all that was that we had to provide the material that the PL asked us for, which we initially, and wrongly, refused to provide.

I think we are bang to rights on the complaint of non-co-operation insofar as it relates to that.

The question is, since (a) we ended up paying the costs of the unsuccessful appeals, and (b) if the charges are otherwise unsuccesful, how serious should the sanction be for that non-co-operation?

My guess would be a similar sized fine to the one upheld by CAS.

My reading of Tolmie's earlier posts is that there appears to be an acknowledgement on the PL's part that they won't make anything else stick, and an acknowledgement on our part that the non-co-operation charge is the one we don't have a defence to.

 

[moh]

I am intrigued. Why does it have to be ripe? And pink? And what's wrong with a big grapefruit?

Completely different outcome!

Fool

 

[Bluemanc100]

This could be thrown out but the damage is done, the media and their lackeys have done the hatchet job on City and in the eyes of every football fan posting their vitriol on social media pages such as Sports Bible or listening to Talk Sport, they have us bang to rights in their opinion rather than what a court or panel thinks .

Correct so actually giving a fuck what they think or say makes it harder to bear

 

[Bluemanc100]

Tbh if the PL came out and said it was a mistake and City have been unfairly treated the rest of football would say we've paid the PL off.

The shit has been thrown, nothing will stop opposition fans now. Not even city suing the PL for damages.

So they succeeded.. whether we are cleared or not

It fucking stinks

 

[Bluemanc100]

I am not sure the PL itself has it in for us that much, tbh. I think they made a knee-jerk reaction to pressure from the usual suspects when the DS emails came out. All this is just a consequence. And the hundred and whatever breaches are down to the club playing hard to get with evidence, more than anything else. Seems the club wants this to play out this way, the PL had no choice about how to proceed imo once they had started the investigation.

Would have been much smarter to wait until after CAS then just look at things CAS didn't cover imho.

I thought you were serious for a second

 

[foggy1974]

What happens if the outcome is as positive and quick as you suggest ? Will the owners not want more information in the public domaine so as to undo the damage to our reputation ? A quick result in our favor doesn’t do this certain people will claim cover up others will just be baffled

If the Premier League come out and say it’s all fine now does Khaldoon come out and explain things or is that it. I would really like him to come out and go for the Red clubs and the premier league for coming after us I accept that won’t happen but I would like him to explain things to people that don’t read your posts.

Maybe it doesn’t matter especially as far as other fans are concerned but I carnt help but think it must have had some affect on sponsors etc or why would people be out to get us

If its ends up in a face saving exercise & City get what they want out of the negotiations, I would imagine there will be NDA involved.

 

[Phoenix900000]

City fans are pretty thick skinned, we'll be fine.

It's still pretty annoying all this

 

[foggy1974]

How about a television debate between eg Delaney or Harris and Lord Pannick. Seeing him rip them to shreds would be like the 6-1 again.

Replicating Have I got News For you - Rt Hon tub of lard

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

A debate about City/PL/FFP, between Delaney or Harris and a small ripe pink grapefruit would have the grapefruit winning and squeezing the pips out of them

That lettuce that lasted longer than Liz Truss would wipe the floor with them.

 

[foggy1974]

I am not sure the PL itself has it in for us that much, tbh. I think they made a knee-jerk reaction to pressure from the usual suspects when the DS emails came out. All this is just a consequence. And the hundred and whatever breaches are down to the club playing hard to get with evidence, more than anything else. Seems the club wants this to play out this way, the PL had no choice about how to proceed imo once they had started the investigation.

Would have been much smarter to wait until after CAS then just look at things CAS didn't cover imho.

Think City didn't want sensitive details being available to the cartel clubs especially after the pl swept lfc database hacking under the carpet.

 

[richards30]

Those are the only charges we are likely, on the basis of what is in the public domain so far, we are likely to go down on.

The PL investigation was commenced the day after Der Spiegel published the hacked emails. At an early stage in the investigation we were asked to disclose a series of documents. The Premier League was entitled to ask us for this under the rules, but we refused. The League then began a disciplinary procedure against us for failing to comply with the disclosure request. That disciplinary complaint was eventually allowed, and we appealed first to the High Court, then to the Court of Appeal. Those appeals were ultimately unsuccessful.

The net effect of all that was that we had to provide the material that the PL asked us for, which we initially, and wrongly, refused to provide.

I think we are bang to rights on the complaint of non-co-operation insofar as it relates to that.

The question is, since (a) we ended up paying the costs of the unsuccessful appeals, and (b) if the charges are otherwise unsuccesful, how serious should the sanction be for that non-co-operation?

My guess would be a similar sized fine to the one upheld by CAS.

My reading of Tolmie's earlier posts is that there appears to be an acknowledgement on the PL's part that they won't make anything else stick, and an acknowledgement on our part that the non-co-operation charge is the one we don't have a defence to.

Yeah i agree mate and it will still be spun we are guilty as we got fined.

 

[foggy1974]

Amongst all the PL rules, there must be one that implies, particularly in spirit; that ‘all clubs be treated equally’? The 4 year investigation into just our club, shows this doesn’t happen. Has any other PL club ever been under such investigations?

It's called the Napolean theory

All Premier league clubs are equal but some are more equal than others

 

[halfcenturyup]

Think City didn't want sensitive details being available to the cartel clubs especially after the pl swept lfc database hacking under the carpet.

A question for the legals. This "independent" commission is part of the PL process is it not? So do the PL have access to all the evidence anyway?

Edit: When it's over I mean .....

 

[Spanishbob]

I would be mightily pissed off if we are fined by the prem and city don’t fight it. It’s was bad enough taking a pinch twice.

 

[WRicko]

I don’t know where this should go probably media thread or Newcastle thread but think it’s better here.

Martin Lipton was on talkshite before discussing the revelations in the US golf case where some guy at Newcastle cannot testify because he is part of the Saudi state. But Newcastle promised they where not owned by the Saudi state.

He called us state owned

Said pressure came from the government in relation to the takeover seeming to imply it came to make sure the state was not involved as states have been allowed to own clubs in the past PSG (in his view us) and nothing in rules to stop it.

The talkshite presenters said how informative he was

I appreciate it’s a different club different circumstances not about FFP

However I think it shows the media don’t understand things and the financial let alone Middle Eastern.

Amanda at Newcastle said the ownership group are just like a pension fund they laughed I don’t think that’s really true.

But let’s suppose that the Tote or post office prior to privatization, King Charles or the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund bought a club.

Would people be claiming that PM or a minister was running the clubs ? Or that PM of Norway was or the King ? No they would say they are being run by managers executives etc.

It’s possible to be a politician and have private business or even be on the board of state companies or in charge of the department of which they report to and not be involved in the day to day running of them

I don’t see it as unsurprising that the guy in charge of Newcastle is claiming government immunity whilst also claiming the state does not own Newcastle