PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

We wont get anything

Can both parties not agree to release the findings?

I am thinking when all this is done and dusted, and we are found guilty of non-cooperation (hopefully just that) then the PL is going to need some help manage its PR. What better way than for the club to "partner" with the PL and say UEFA, and then the PL, have both been played like two-bit fiddles this last decade by organisations that wanted to damage the club's ability to compete. We know who they are. Khaldoon could really go to town on these "organisations" without specifically naming them, whilst giving support to UEFA and the PL, cementing relationships with both and removing credibility from any question that whatever the findings, we are still guilty of something, somewhere.

If I was dreaming, i could imagine we would take action against the first media outlet who did raise that question, but a man can dream, can't he?

 

[Ric]

Can both parties not agree to release the findings?

I think Stefan was referring to leaks. The findings themselves, as at CAS, will surely be released.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think Stefan was referring to leaks. The findings themselves, as at CAS, will surely be released.

Oh right. Stupid me :)

 

[remember arthur mann]

It’s on YT because anyone can put anything and any old shite up there. It’s a lot more complex to get a TV program commissioned. I know it may seem like there’s a lot of utter shite on TV too but it’s somewhat more regulated for quality - from what cameras are used to the reason for the commission.

YT is easy. Anybody can upload a ‘documentary’ there.

 

[manimanc]

The YouTube documentary got a mention on ESPNFC by Gab Marcotti.
He wasn’t particularly interested in the “new” allegations but was more focused on who paid to make the documentary which was refreshing.

I’m paraphrasing but he basically said who hates Manchester City enough to fund this film…

I think we’d all like to know that

I like Marcotti, he never seems to follow the bitter agenda against us and has a balanced view. I quite like the Gabs and Juls podcast they do.

 

[M18CTID]

Pretty sure that it was said during that time that the club only knew 10 minutes or something in advance.

Nah, not a chance it was only 10 minutes mate. There were rumours doing the rounds in the days leading up to the announcement that it had gone our way. I seem to recall that Pep was rather smug in one particular post-match interview. Ian Cheeseman tweeted a few days before that he'd heard it was positive news. And someone who runs one of the biggest supporters club branches was gobbing off that we'd won the case to all and sundry down the pub a couple of nights before it was announced.

 

[give it to gordon]

I got as far as Prick Harris saying that:

"the current City squad is worth €1.067 billion making them the most expensively assembled squad in the history of global football."

I might watch it sometime but it's a clear hatchet job on us.

That just shows how much Pep and his staff have improved the players. City havent spent that it's what they are worth on the transfer market

 

[the talisman]

I like Marcotti, he never seems to follow the bitter agenda against us and has a balanced view. I quite like the Gabs and Juls podcast they do.

Yeah me too. I watch the studio program as well as the podcast.
They just don’t seem to have the bias of the English media, maybe because they are based in the States

 

[halfcenturyup]

That just shows how much Pep and his staff have improved the players. City havent spent that it's what they are worth on the transfer market

It also shows how much if a duplicitous twat Harris is as he should know, as a financial "expert", the difference. Or maybe he doesn't.

 

[Cobwebcat]

These were the facts according to CAS:

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And this was the club's submissions:
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UEFA's submission was basically, yeah but it looks a bit fishy (my non-legal assessment).

CAS didn't comment on the merits (time-barred), but did hear evidence from the contract lawyer and a SVP of Etisalat:View attachment 85573

Thanks. It does look weird that some of The sponsor money went to MCFC and the rest to ADUG but if both payments are clearly from the sponsor then there is no case to answer.

Sounds like UEFA made a guess and we’re wrong.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Nah, not a chance it was only 10 minutes mate. There were rumours doing the rounds in the days leading up to the announcement that it had gone our way. I seem to recall that Pep was rather smug in one particular post-match interview. Ian Cheeseman tweeted a few days before that he'd heard it was positive news. And someone who runs one of the biggest supporters club branches was gobbing off that we'd won the case to all and sundry down the pub a couple of nights before it was announced.

That’s true but I think I remember Sam Lee ( it could have been someone else but it was part of a big piece of what happened on the day) later saying that despite the previous reports it was only 10 minutes. Either could be correct.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

That just shows how much Pep and his staff have improved the players. City havent spent that it's what they are worth on the transfer market

Correct. Contrast that to the rag shit show. I don't know the figures, but the squad is likely to be worth significantly less than what they paid for it. Possibly in the region of a 50% reduction in value. Say spent £500m but worth less than £250m?

 

[Any1aBlue]

I got as far as Prick Harris saying that:

"the current City squad is worth €1.067 billion making them the most expensively assembled squad in the history of global football."

I might watch it sometime but it's a clear hatchet job on us.

Goodness me we got terrific value for money then…..

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

Correct. Contrast that to the rag shit show. I don't know the figures, but the squad is likely to be worth significantly less than what they paid for it. Possibly in the region of a 50% reduction in value. Say spent £500m but worth less than £250m?

Take Mason Zidane for example he's only been there a day.
They paid 50 odd million. If they sold him tomorrow they wouldn't get anywhere near that

 

[bluemonkey71]

Very good piece Stefan @projectriver.

After reading that I’m pretty confident in the club and the only thing they could hit us with is non cooperation. I believe this non cooperation is linked to us becoming tired with these constant attacks. Let’s hope for a good outcome.

 

[City14]

Yeah me too. I watch the studio program as well as the podcast.
They just don’t seem to have the bias of the English media, maybe because they are based in the States

No my brer they (Gab and Juls) are both based out of London, and are dialing in from London for the ESPN FC show for which the other pundits are based in States. But these 2 gents are in London.

But yes, I like their approach and unbiased opinions. Probably because Juls is a PSG Fan and is more or less in the same boat :). And Gab is a neutral American Italian who is a more SERIE A fan....alhtough i dont know which team he supports.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Thanks. It does look weird that some of The sponsor money went to MCFC and the rest to ADUG but if both payments are clearly from the sponsor then there is no case to answer.

Sounds like UEFA made a guess and we’re wrong.

For the sake of completeness. This was UEFA's response to City's submission on Etisalat:



Not much there, to be honest. Just restating facts and interpreting them in a way to suit. Should need more than that, I imagine, to counter actual financial records and testimony from multiple club, owner and sponsor executives.

 

[SilverFox2]

Perhaps he has, but I'm getting weary of all the shit being thrown at City.
I should be spending the summer with a selection of thoughts running through my head:
Standing on row 7, near the corner flag, with everybody screaming for a penalty as the ball breaks to Rodri then all hell breaks loose.
Twenty minutes later in the same position not having a clue how Lumpapoo missed that chance until it was shown on the screen.
Block 534 at Wembley watching Gundo hit the winner in the FA Cup final.
Reliving many home games with the view from my seat.
And fans from all over praising us. Not rags and dippers, or even Arsenal, but the rest as we've shown the monopoly can be broken. But instead I've had months of legal bullshit clouding our magnificence and that's why I want more public defiance from the club.
So many arguments are being dismantled on here by supporters who only have a basic knowledge of what is going on. The club has the full details and should ridicule our accusers at every opportunity. City clearly want to grow the "global brand", but shit sticks, and there is a lot of shit being thrown in our direction.

Dare I say that City and its owners are achieving their objectives despite the continuing media and PL rule changing.
I fear that complacency and even entitlement may take over should it be totally fair.

So let them do their worst because it brings out our best.

Just an opinion from an older City supporter than most on this Forum.

 

[bluenova]

That just shows how much Pep and his staff have improved the players. City havent spent that it's what they are worth on the transfer market

Obviously all this is based on transfemarkt guestimates of values, but here's how much they think City have increased the value of players:

Manchester City - Market value at debut

Wie veränderten sich die Marktwerte aller Kaderspieler seit ihrem Debüt bei dem Verein Man City? Diese Statistik zeigt die Entwicklung.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

They reckon our squad value has increased by €350m compared to their value when they made their debuts.

It also shows the utter foolishness of quoting this as a statistic, because in most cases their "value" bears very little resemblance to the prices we actually paid.

What it clearly shows, is that Nick Harris's use of the word Intelligence for his work should be an issue under the Trade Descriptions Act :)

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Nah, not a chance it was only 10 minutes mate. There were rumours doing the rounds in the days leading up to the announcement that it had gone our way. I seem to recall that Pep was rather smug in one particular post-match interview. Ian Cheeseman tweeted a few days before that he'd heard it was positive news. And someone who runs one of the biggest supporters club branches was gobbing off that we'd won the case to all and sundry down the pub a couple of nights before it was announced.

I’ve worked on Court of Appeal and Supreme Court decisions. You get the decision c.24 hrs before promulgation to review for factual accuracy. You are clearly warned you are in contempt of court if you leak it or talk about it’s content before judgement is handed down