United Thread - 2023/24

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M18CTID said:
What evidence is that then?

Oh, and I take it you mean the prosecution’s evidence? The prosecution’s evidence that ultimately failed that is. What next? That the prosecution’s evidence in the Stefan Kiszko case meant that he was a despicable person?
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I'll leave you to your views about how a drunken women should be treated by 2 men.
 
Blue Mist said:
I'll leave you to your views about how a drunken women should be treated by 2 men.
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Seriously mate, is this the best you can come up with? How do you know she was presenting as drunk at the time she had sex with them both? How do you know they weren’t drunk too? You do realise that casual sex - sometimes drunken, sometimes not - happens all over the place all of the time don’t you?

Just because she said she doesn’t remember doesn’t mean she was necessarily presenting as drunk. People can often have alcohol blackouts, yet still present as sober and behave rationally throughout. It’s happened to me more than enough times down the years.
 
hammocity said:
How about this?
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That photo could be explained a number of ways but the tape, assuming it is verifiably him, is totally different. It is toxic and imo no amount of benefit he could bring on the pitch is worth what united are likely to lose in reputation and the associated publicity playing him would attract.

In the vast majority of other cases of allegations of sexual assault involving footballers that are widely public, such the Mendy case, there is no publicly available evidence, save for the eye witness accounts of the accusers. This makes any public statements questioning the circumstances around the events to be hugely risky and genuinely unfair to the accused, especially after a finding of not guilty. That tape, what is in it, and the fact it was so widely disseminated, unquestionably distinguishes Greenwood from those other cases - on the basis, as I’ve said, his identity isn’t in dispute. I’d be amazed at any competent legal professional suggesting otherwise.

That isn’t to question his guilt at the crimes he was accused of, because that manifestly hasn’t been established, but that recording provides a shield for groups who campaign against domestic violence and abuse to speak with far more stridency on this particular subject around Greenwood without any real fear of legal consequences, assuming they choose their words carefully. In fact, they would arguably welcome a claim for defamation from Greenwood, in relation to those carefully chosen words. How would he frame an argument around loss of reputation and/or lack of truth, if that was him in the tape? I’m not sure where you’d start with that.

From a tactical point of view, in terms of promoting their cause, this would be the motherlode for those campaign groups and would surely be recognised as such by them and exploited accordingly. The questions that tape raises are not ones that are likely to be comfortable to answer or ones that anyone would be well advised to put themselves in a position to. It could be cross examination dynamite.

For a club whose nose for PR is so widely held up, the decision to play him (assuming that is their intention) seems incredibly foolish imo, so much so that I’ll believe it when I see it. I think they would most likely be setting themselves up for a PR disaster that they cannot manage their way out of - and the current narrative may simply be the club sounding things out to establish how the land lies, the answer to which will be ‘not favourably’. They are best settling his contract and wishing him all the best. Simply put, and imo, that tape is worth more than whatever sum of wages and compensation are left on his contract.
 
There is not a hope in hell that they will play him in the PL. They'll look at loaning him out with a view to a sell on clause to some lower league club. Or he'll move abroad to someone like Galatasary or Roma.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That photo could be explained a number of ways but the tape, assuming it is verifiably him, is totally different. It is toxic and imo no amount of benefit he could bring on the pitch is worth what united are likely to lose in reputation and the associated publicity playing him would attract.

In the vast majority of other cases of allegations of sexual assault involving footballers that are widely public, such the Mendy case, there is no publicly available evidence, save for the eye witness accounts of the accusers. This makes any public statements questioning the circumstances around the events to be hugely risky and genuinely unfair to the accused, especially after a finding of not guilty. That tape, what is in it, and the fact it was so widely disseminated, unquestionably distinguishes Greenwood from those other cases - on the basis, as I’ve said, his identity isn’t in dispute. I’d be amazed at any competent legal professional suggesting otherwise.

That isn’t to question his guilt at the crimes he was accused of, because that manifestly hasn’t been established, but that recording provides a shield for groups who campaign against domestic violence and abuse to speak with far more stridency on this particular subject around Greenwood without any real fear of legal consequences, assuming they choose their words carefully. In fact, they would arguably welcome a claim for defamation from Greenwood, in relation to those carefully chosen words. How would he frame an argument around loss of reputation and/or lack of truth, if that was him in the tape? I’m not sure where you’d start with that.

From a tactical point of view, in terms of promoting their cause, this would be the motherlode for those campaign groups and would surely be recognised as such by them and exploited accordingly. The questions that tape raises are not ones that are likely to be comfortable to answer or ones that anyone would be well advised to put themselves in a position to. It could be cross examination dynamite.

For a club whose nose for PR is so widely held up, the decision to play him (assuming that is their intention) seems incredibly foolish imo, so much so that I’ll believe it when I see it. I think they would most likely be setting themselves up for a PR disaster that they cannot manage their way out of - and the current narrative may simply be the club sounding things out to establish how the land lies, the answer to which will be ‘not favourably’. They are best settling his contract and wishing him all the best. Simply put, and imo, that tape is worth more than whatever sum of wages and compensation are left on his contract.
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Ten Hag came out of the Ronaldo situation well, he wouldn’t be forced to play anyone he didn’t want so as far as I’m concerned this is 100% on him.

That’s how I’ll be calling it when they suddenly want to blame the Glazers.
 
You watch they will try and spin it as a redemption story of a young boy who didnt really know the consequences of his actions and while not being legally convicted of anything respects that he has done wrong and is taking steps to fix it and become an advocate of women blah fucking blah, you can see it coming from an absolute mile away and we will once again see that despite all these companies and news organisations promoting that they respect women are against domestic violence and whatever de rigeur cause they have latched on to today what they really respect is money.
 
malg said:
There is not a hope in hell that they will play him in the PL. They'll look at loaning him out with a view to a sell on clause to some lower league club. Or he'll move abroad to someone like Galatasary or Roma.
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Some Saudi club will probably pay over the odds for him. The rags have a free hit here to do the right thing yet won’t. Money is their god.
 
Blue Til Death said:
My comment is based purely on that particular photo, nothing else ..
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I’m not sure about that. Coupled with the audio - assuming it’s Greenwood on the audio of course - I don’t think it looks good at all for Greenwood.

How United deal with it and have dealt with it is open to debate of course. As no charges have been brought then I would imagine that they have no grounds for dismissing him but on a moral basis and considering possible reputational damage to the club, I think they’d have been better off washing their hands of him and putting him up for transfer, even if it meant selling him for a knockdown fee.
 
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Blue Til Death said:
That looks like it’s 100% been staged, not defending greenwood at all but that photo looks wrong, looks like she’s used her finger to spread the blood, if it is blood, even underneath her chin…
I’m sure he did everything she says he did but that pic is not cosher for me..!
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I’m in agreement, the blood on the neck don’t look right.
 
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