Dangerous Dogs

[grunge]

Was reading a lost pet facebook page yesterday about a dog doing the rounds up near Accrington, wandering around on its own, killed a couple of cats and has been going for Kids and adults. No idea if its been found yet.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Shame about the Cat mate, there are no bad dogs just owners IMHO.

Not based in reality at all.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Im calling fake on that. Someone blew a whistle 2/3rds through it. The dogs didnt listen but that is not real, imho

This is such a bizzare take, what sort of weirdo would look at a video that is quite obviously real and say 'this is fake'....

 

[grunge]

Im calling fake on that. Someone blew a whistle 2/3rds through it. The dogs didnt listen but that is not real, imho

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-06-08/shocking-clip-on-social-media-shows-vicious-dog-attack-in-lambeth

the police reporting it was real and the woman was taken to hospital with significant injuries.

 

[Fat Chance]

I've an Akita/Collie cross and a Staffie/Alsation cross.
Both great dogs and great with kids and other dogs in the wider family and when out but I am totally rigid when it comes to them being off lead, can't see when it would ever happen around people or other dogs.
I only ever let them off in out of the way places and am sure we're alone. They're both obedient but am careful in the extreme when kids are around probably more so than with previous dogs because of the reports in the media at the moment.
Don't know how others feel with dogs mentioned on dangerous dogs lists but it makes me more vigilant I hope.

Make a flirt pole out of 6ft of cane attach 6ft of string ( washing line) to one end. Tape a water bottle to the open string end ( having first got the dogs intrested in the bottle through play/ after removing all other distractions).
It will allow you to play/re-train/dial commands in a close proximity to you ( by flirting the bottle about creating little bursts of excitment.. at all points of the compass) whilst they are leadless and cement any stop/ wait commands because youve got the dogs motivation at your fingertips...whilst acheiving good cardio in short time....

Essentially the dogs are facing you at any given time cause youre the bottle master...and because youve got the motivation then 100% recall to the heel position is easilly acheivable should a doggee monster flop on you and your dogs need leading...ultimate aim is to have one sat while one chases ( alternates)...drop of water in the bottle will make it more dexterous.

Teaching em seperate if need be isnt such an headache cause the drill isnt time handicapped and closing the game down whilst in a flow keeps motivation high...whuch leads to willing to wait for staggered amounts of time ( whilst the bottle teases em jigging around their sight line) which leads to one waiting one exercising....all within a 24ft circle.

 

[Goaters]

I see the XL bully debate is raging again after the latest incident with 3 people hurt.

Suella Braverman is considering banning XL bully dogs after an attack in which three people were injured.

“This is appalling. The American XL bully is a clear and lethal danger to our communities, particularly to children. We can’t go on like this. I have commissioned urgent advice on banning them,” Braverman said on Twitter/X.

There is now a plethora of XL bully owners saying it’s the way they are brought up rather than the extreme genetics that make the dog clearly extremely dangerous.

 

[oldius]

The breed is already banned. The ignorance of law is just astounding.

While the act defines dogs by their type rather than their breed (more on this later) the act specifically indicates four breeds of dog which are labelled as 'specially controlled dogs' and are as a general rule illegal to own, breed or sell within the UK. These dogs are :

• The Pit Bull Terrier
• Japanese Tosa
• Dogo Argentino
• Fila Brasiliero

The act also covers cross breeds and mixed breeds with ancestry from the above four mentioned dog breeds, and also those having significant physical characteristics or traits of the breeds in question.

The XL is a direct descendent of the American Pit-Bull, and is therefore covered within current legislation.

 

[bluetonium]

Surely a way to control this is to look at the owners. If certain types of people want a dog and their requirements are that it has to be hard, look hard and act hard then maybe these people shouldn't have a dog. Restrict that then demand for these dogs reduces.

I once knew a lad like this. Would drink his pint in the pub and then start on 'friends' accusing them of drinking his pint until someone just bought him another to shut him up. If you brought a new pet goldfish, he'd have had a goldfish when he was 5 that was harder than your goldfish and could take it in a fight. And yes, he was a rag actually.

Any dog can turn. We have a rescue dog and I know full well that, whilst generally good natured, weighing just 6kgs and more scared of anything than aggressive, if he feels backed into a corner he could nip. He can push you backwards with his enthusiasm for a walk. If he was ten times the size and weight then, regardless of the attitude and temperament, that is a problem.

 

[Dirty Harry]

There’s a whole host of dog breeds and crosses that need to be looked at, not just these, so it’s not going to be as a easy process as some may think, but what did make me laugh, and not in a funny way, is some of the owners gems I’ve read, like “mines really soft and placid, what about little dogs that bite ?” and “ I get really offended what when people see my dog and cross the road”.

Soz (not soz) but if you can’t see or comprehend why that is, you shouldn’t be owning one of these dogs, you absolute fuckin moron.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The breed is already banned. The ignorance of law is just astounding.

While the act defines dogs by their type rather than their breed (more on this later) the act specifically indicates four breeds of dog which are labelled as 'specially controlled dogs' and are as a general rule illegal to own, breed or sell within the UK. These dogs are :

• The Pit Bull Terrier
• Japanese Tosa
• Dogo Argentino
• Fila Brasiliero

The act also covers cross breeds and mixed breeds with ancestry from the above four mentioned dog breeds, and also those having significant physical characteristics or traits of the breeds in question.

The XL is a direct descendent of the American Pit-Bull, and is therefore covered within current legislation. This smacks of populist opportunism and ignorance, which is typical of this government.

It wouldn’t do any harm to add the “breed” to a banned list, though. Dogs such as these that kill should be subject to some sort of check to ensure owners know their responsibility. Christ I don’t even let my Westie alone with kids.

 

[jimharri]

Let's keep the politicking to the appropriate forum, please.

 

[oldius]

Remove the XL Bully and people who want a large, powerful breed will simply move to a Presa Canario, Cane Corso, Caucasian Shepherd, Turkish Kangal, Chinese Red Dog, Central Asian Shepherd, or any cross-breed from them. Breeders will still be advertising on social media and selling their dogs for cash in local parks - the key is to make it unprofitable to sell.

 

[oldius]

It wouldn’t do any harm to add the “breed” to a banned list, though. Dogs such as these that kill should be subject to some sort of check to ensure owners know their responsibility. Christ I don’t even let my Westie alone with kids.

The list is utterly pointless because it is already not policed. The fact that experts are already in ignorance of the law is mind-blowing to me. DNA testing will immediately confirm the lineage of any Bully, and they are, ABSOLUTELY, already banned. Breeders are creating these dogs in their flats up and down the nation. They promote their dogs on Instagram and TikTok and then meet and sell. Without intelligent monitoring and policing, the destiny of this law is utterly predictable.

 

[Scottyboi]

Just ban anyone who wears tracksuits and stinks of chronic from owning a dog.

 

[Dirty Harry]

The list is utterly pointless because it is already not policed. The fact that experts are already in ignorance of the law is mind-blowing to me.

I’ve been absolutely speechless at times over the decades when you’d hear on the TV or read “A,B and C , an ‘expert’ in the field will be on shortly”, only to come on and be so wrong on so many things.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

The list is utterly pointless because it is already not policed. The fact that experts are already in ignorance of the law is mind-blowing to me. DNA testing will immediately confirm the lineage of any Bully, and they are, ABSOLUTELY, already banned. Breeders are creating these dogs in their flats up and down the nation. They promote their dogs on Instagram and TikTok and then meet and sell. Without intelligent monitoring and policing, the destiny of this law is utterly predictable.

If banning them makes makes a dent in even some of the numbers of people owning them - then it's still worth doing. I'm an animal lover, but these things are a fucking menace and need to go along with a whole host of other types of dog.

 

[oldius]

If banning them makes makes a dent in even some of the numbers of people owning them - then it's still worth doing. I'm an animal lover, but these things are a fucking menace and need to go along with a whole host of other types of dog.

They are already banned!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I'm a postman and it scares the life out of me.

some people answer the door holding their (obviously ferocious dog) back by the collar. Why answer the door with your angry dog ffs!

But one slip and that's it my career is over.

So, if they don't or can't ban the dog then they should ban all interaction with those households... no post, no deliveries, no repair men etc.

 

[ganganvince]

The list is utterly pointless because it is already not policed. The fact that experts are already in ignorance of the law is mind-blowing to me. DNA testing will immediately confirm the lineage of any Bully, and they are, ABSOLUTELY, already banned. Breeders are creating these dogs in their flats up and down the nation. They promote their dogs on Instagram and TikTok and then meet and sell. Without intelligent monitoring and policing, the destiny of this law is utterly predictable.

Really just needs to be any dog over say 35KG (for reference my German Shepherd was 42KG) requires a licence with bi annual behaviour tests from a vet link this to the chip then its easy to check on the street.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The list is utterly pointless because it is already not policed. The fact that experts are already in ignorance of the law is mind-blowing to me. DNA testing will immediately confirm the lineage of any Bully, and they are, ABSOLUTELY, already banned. Breeders are creating these dogs in their flats up and down the nation. They promote their dogs on Instagram and TikTok and then meet and sell. Without intelligent monitoring and policing, the destiny of this law is utterly predictable.

It is policed, although definitely not enough. I knew of one guy who had some great beast of a dog, although it seemed fine to me. Unfortunately it snapped at another dog, the police called at the owner’s house and they did tests on the dog to see what its ancestry was. Last I saw it was muzzled (and looking rather sad for itself) awaiting its results. Haven’t seen it for a while since but fear it may have been seized as a banned breed (or descendant of).