Newcastle (A) | Wed 27th Sept | EFL Cup | Post Match Thread

[FantasyIreland]

I fully appreciate the we have bigger fish to fry argument.......but its always disappointing to get beat when it comes about as a result of not competing well enough.

Far too many passengers last night,and a lack of leadership and aggression.

It was clear when Howe brought on the 2 subs that the tempo would massively change in their favour and yet we failed to respond and allowed them to bully us.

The drop off in quality and attitude is concerning when our main men are out,and while it wasnt as much of a shit show as last seasons exit......we never looked like a team that could or wanted to win.

The positives.......Bobb looks the part,and Gvardiol,Doku and Nunes are excellent first team additions.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Phillips is surely done now, he could make a decent career at a mid to bottom team such as Bournemouth or a team challenging in the championship but we need to put him behind us now before he becomes our Phil Jones

I can't work it out, he looks ok for England from the buts I've seen but when playing in a blue shirt can't even get in the right position on the pitch I spent much to much of the game shouting at the TV for him to be mobile and move into space or to the correct position when we didn't have the ball.

I'd just had my finger in the screen showing Mrs Moon where he should be when they scored and he was the wrong side of his man as he'd been 5 yards too far forward....I can't blame him alone for the loss but with Rodders, Bernie or even Stones in that role that goal wouldn't have happened.

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

I'd just had my finger in the screen showing Mrs Moon where he should be when they scored and he was the wrong side of his man as he'd been 5 yards too far forward...

Did she say "Yes dear" and continue to read her book.

 

[herrock]

We were a bit too " nice" last night. Great football, but a bit toothless. Newcastle got stuck in and we weren't up for it. Nunes and Doku gave us energy, but unfortunately Phillips just doesn't look a city player. I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the bench at Wolves.
Tv commentary was awful.

 

[The Colonel]

The fans there can tell their grand children of this night.

 

[Kamaro011]

I can't work it out, he looks ok for England from the buts I've seen but when playing in a blue shirt can't even get in the right position on the pitch I spent much to much of the game shouting at the TV for him to be mobile and move into space or to the correct position when we didn't have the ball.

I'd just had my finger in the screen showing Mrs Moon where he should be when they scored and he was the wrong side of his man as he'd been 5 yards too far forward....I can't blame him alone for the loss but with Rodders, Bernie or even Stones in that role that goal wouldn't have happened.

We can't winning it even if we put those player in that match, we literally couldn't be arsed that's a major reason we losing. The moment we have those kind mentality before the match is the moment we are most likely going to lose.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So did I .. doesn’t alter the fact that the commentary was totally bizarre

Don’t forget, a 1-0 loss is classed as being ‘dumped’ out of the competition. Everything about the commentary of this game has been bizarre, almost makes me think that Sky know something that we don’t and they’re getting their punches in early.

 

[one chop]

I can't work it out, he looks ok for England from the buts I've seen but when playing in a blue shirt can't even get in the right position on the pitch I spent much to much of the game shouting at the TV for him to be mobile and move into space or to the correct position when we didn't have the ball.

I'd just had my finger in the screen showing Mrs Moon where he should be when they scored and he was the wrong side of his man as he'd been 5 yards too far forward....I can't blame him alone for the loss but with Rodders, Bernie or even Stones in that role that goal wouldn't have happened.

Always seems to me that Phillips and rice, together, do the role that rodri does on his own. I was so surprised at rice going for the price he did, then. As well as city signing kalvin

Tbf, it seems like rice is doing okay for the arse. But rodri level? Nah. And clearly Phillips looks like he needs someone there to support him more... which, in city's system, ain't an option (at the elite level, pep needs players to do more)

"Harsh comparison, nobody is gonna be rodri level, blah blah blah"... fair enough. But if city want rodri's back up then someone with a more significant presence is required -- whether that be by covering more miles or being an intelligent player who knows where and when to be in the right places. Like it or not, the rodri role is a vital position in this system. And it does require someone way above average to manage it.

Might be difficult to find a player of that quality who is willing to play second fiddle to rodders

 

[dickie davies]

Kalvin doesn’t seem to play with belief. It’s like he has taken Pep’s ball retention policy much too literally - there is almost no risk (and hence attacking potential) to anything he does. At Leeds and in earlier England games he believed in himself and played naturally without thinking. If you watch him now you can almost hear the cogs turning in his brain. I am convinced there is a brilliant footballer in there, but not sure we are ever going to see it under Pep.

Not long after we signed him, I was at my daughter's graduation and one of her course friend's dad is a Leeds season ticket holder.
Over lunch we chatted about football and he said that he was very surprised City bought Phillips. He loved him as a player, but thought he was nowhere near City's level

 

[Jonathan Gunn]

Only 73% of the time though...

Obviously all his fault.

What know-nothing poster you are.

If only that were true.

 

[melrose40yarder]

I can't work it out, he looks ok for England from the buts I've seen but when playing in a blue shirt can't even get in the right position on the pitch I spent much to much of the game shouting at the TV for him to be mobile and move into space or to the correct position when we didn't have the ball.

I'd just had my finger in the screen showing Mrs Moon where he should be when they scored and he was the wrong side of his man as he'd been 5 yards too far forward....I can't blame him alone for the loss but with Rodders, Bernie or even Stones in that role that goal wouldn't have happened.

He looks ok for England because of Southgates safety 1st football.He is not sharp enough for us last night he played 2 really good passes instead of moving forward stood there admiring the pass.He does not affect the game in any way.Should be at Everton,Wolves,Palace etc.No way he starts or gets on at Arsenal.His next start will be for England then Fa cup.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I normally don’t look at player ratings, but I looked at a few for this game. On one site, Gvardiol and Phillips shared the worst rating of the team (4). And on another Akanji had the worst rating of the team (5). Seemed harsh for the two defenders? Should I be ignoring these sites and get my hot takes here?!?

For saying “hot takes” you should never come here again.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Not long after we signed him, I was at my daughter's graduation and one of her course friend's dad is a Leeds season ticket holder.
Over lunch we chatted about football and he said that he was very surprised City bought Phillips. He loved him as a player, but thought he was nowhere near City's level

Unfortunately, I think he was right.

 

[blue whippet]

Played well first half but with little end product. They made changes early second half that won the game for them really, our second half was poor.
Grealish didn't look fully fit, a lot to expect him to play a full 90 after mins at the weekend and just coming back from injury. Philips had some nice touches but looked slow which is a pity as it was his chance to shine.
Personally I thought Gomez and Lewis were ok and I do like the look of Bobb.
Can't say anything about the commentary as I always have the sound very low so I don't really hear much.
Ref was poor.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

We got beat and move on.

The worrying development this week is that the rags got behind Harry Maguire and Bluemoan scapegoated Kalvin Phillips. Make of that what you want.

I think the lads will bounce back against Wolves and I’m glad we rested several key players.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Maybe a controversial point, sorry if you feel that but, I thought that football was a team game? We play as a team, we win as a team, we lose as a team. So we can’t blame one or even two or three players. :-)

Having just come out of hospital I know that it wasn’t just the doctor who helped me to recover, it was a team, a team of nurses, doctors, carers, cleaners and porters amongst others. Same for City. It’s a team.

I always hate us to lose but we have to be philosophical we are still THE BEST TEAM IN THE LAND AND ALL THE WORLD! :-)

 

[Bettys Bell]

Maybe a controversial point, sorry if you feel that but, I thought that football was a team game? We play as a team, we win as a team, we lose as a team. So we can’t blame one or even two or three players. :-)

Having just come out of hospital I know that it wasn’t just the doctor who helped me to recover, it was a team, a team of nurses, doctors, carers, cleaners and porters amongst others. Same for City. It’s a team.

I always hate us to lose but we have to be philosophical we are still THE BEST TEAM IN THE LAND AND ALL THE WORLD! :-)

Hope you’re on the mend Eccles .

 

[Eccles Blue]

We got beat and move on.

The worrying development this week is that the rags got behind Harry Maguire and Bluemoan scapegoated Kalvin Phillips. Make of that what you want.

I think the lads will bounce back against Wolves and I’m glad we rested several key players.

I couldn’t just do a like for this @Tim of the Oak , you are so correct in your middle paragraph. We need to support and keep behind our lads. We may think it’s ok, it’s in our own forum but, the same way some read other teams forums, they read ours!
Plus I’ve just been on FB and the vitriol on there is terrible. :-(

 

[urban genie]

I normally don’t look at player ratings, but I looked at a few for this game. On one site, Gvardiol and Phillips shared the worst rating of the team (4). And on another Akanji had the worst rating of the team (5). Seemed harsh for the two defenders? Should I be ignoring these sites and get my hot takes here?!?

neither

most sites let people rate the players and so naturally bias is used based on club loyalty.

Here is equally full of sensible objective fans and then hysterical loons.

best making your own mind up

 

[madloaf]

As the commentary told us we within 3 minutes we had 330 million quids worth of talent on the pitch. But to be fair to them, when Newcastle scored Sky were quick to point out that Newcastle had 342 million euros of talent on the pitch... Oh wait, did they fuck.

Pope - 11.5
Livramento - 37
Lascelles - 5
Dummett - 0
Targett - 17.5
Tonali - 64
Gordon - 45
Joelinton - 44
Murphy - 11
Isak - 70
Guimares - 42

342 million euros.