Middle East Conflict

[tel aviv city]

Why?

He's only just watched the game at Arsenal.

Watch that arsenal game for the first time
My head was at sout Israel
When friends just died
First game after 48 years

 

[Irwell]

When were Russia being condemned as much as Isreal are?
Not by Amnesty or many left of centre organisations who are shouting from the rooftops about Isrealvand that's for sure.

Many in the country have actually been charged with war crimes and their leader cannot go to any country under the jurisdiction of the ICC.

 

[bluemoon1981]

Only palace and Chelsea say that they feeling whith the evil hamas
The silence of the f a
And my team ( ya I know afraid of Arab money)

In fairness to our owners they are in a very very difficult position, so I'm reserving judgement at the moment.

Put to one side that we are not technically state owned...

UAE is one of the few Arab countries that recognise Israel. Further they are one of the few Arab counties that have ignored the call to Boycott Israel, specifically actually with City's sponsorship with Wix which caused quite a stir.

So it is a little easier for Chelsea to make such statements without causing a political shit storm. This has the potential to escalate into WW III at the moment so I can understand why UAE might be cautious.

As much as I personally would love to see a statement from City, I can understand why the owners are hesitant. Yup we can argue City's statement should be distinct from UAE but on this one I think we need to be pragmatic.

 

[tel aviv city]

In fairness to our owners they are in a very very difficult position, so I'm reserving judgement at the moment.

Put to one side that we are not technically state owned...

UAE is one of the few Arab countries that recognise Israel. Further they are one of the few Arab counties that have ignored the call to Boycott Israel, specifically actually with City's sponsorship with Wix which caused quite a stir.

So it is a little easier for Chelsea to make such statements without causing a political shit storm. This has the potential to escalate into WW III at the moment so I can understand why UAE might be cautious.

As much as I personally would love to see a statement from City, I can understand why the owners are hesitant. Yup we can argue City's statement should be distinct from UAE but on this one I think we need to be pragmatic.

Understand but still disappoint
anyway just good to hear say out what’s amas
We are living in that conflict for years of war
Whith no country to negotiate

 

[Dax777]

Yes gradually - they are winding up to accelerate that though - I doubt they will care but may well look to its friends in future and be disappointed that they are ignored

I think they e lost all good will.

 

[bluethrunthru]

When were Russia being condemned as much as Isreal are?
Not by Amnesty or many left of centre organisations who are shouting from the rooftops about Isreal and that's for sure.

Russia are an outlier condemned by by all - Israel enjoys/enjoyed multinational support

 

[Tim of the Oak]

When were Russia being condemned as much as Isreal are?
Not by Amnesty or many left of centre organisations who are shouting from the rooftops about Isreal and that's for sure.

Do Russia have a Friends of Russian group that consists of the majority of members from our Governing Party?

 

[Irwell]

It looks that way, but once the world starts paying attention things might change, in many ways this could be a cathartic moment

The problem is the US ignored, put their fingers in their ears and hoped it would go away, but like a volcano it’s erupted again and 1000s are dead on both sides, perhaps they will pay attention now

The corrupt and ineffective PA needs to go as well, there needs to be younger leadership for Palestinians, leadership with vision not locked into the past

I have contradictory feelings on US involvement in conflicts. On the one side, i feel like their involvement in Ukraine is justified as they are helping the weaker side defend itself. On the other, i feel like their involvement in Israel is just bolstering a country that is already a disproportionate power within the region and leading to them taking aggressive stances where they might otherwise be more restrained or even conciliatory. Can I have an opinion that it's OK for them to impose their foreign policy in one conflict whilst not on the other? I don't know if I can. Maybe that's the long game of the Hamas actions and I'm a pawn in it.

 

[meltonblue]

Just as a side note, and I’m in not a fan of the SNP, Humza Yousaf has been incredible the last week, even more so given his personal situation.

 

[Irwell]

Just as a side note, and I’m in not a fan of the SNP, Humza Yousah has been incredible the last week, even more so given his personal situation.

Agreed, we need more people with balancing opinions in the corridors of power if we want nuanced decisions.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Hopefully by some miracle, the losses of Gaza civilians and Israeli hostages are kept to an absolute minimum over the coming days and weeks and Hamas are wiped out.

Chapeau Pep’s daughter who’s had the courage to speak out against the threatened genocide.

 

[meltonblue]

When were Russia being condemned as much as Isreal are?
Not by Amnesty or many left of centre organisations who are shouting from the rooftops about Isreal and that's for sure.

Latest news on Russia's invasion of Ukraine

As Russia continues its war against Ukraine, Amnesty International is exposing violations of human rights and international humanitarian law.

www.amnesty.org

I’d say they’ve been very damning on Russia…

 

[Vic]

Not a word condemning the original atrocity I notice.

"Jewish and Israeli people in the midst of their deep grief" ?

 

[bumbleblue]

Israeli forces fire on Hezbollah target in Southern Lebanon after unidentified targets intercepted along with a drone over Haifa.
Source: BBC

 

[goalmole]

Occupied by who?
Israel left Gaza unilaterally since 2005.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
So please expand on your comment about colonial occupation.

There are many Israeli army officers who are willing to expand on my comment on Israeli occupation.
We can start with this young man.

 

[bumbleblue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67108364?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=652a03848ae7803bb6843237&Bodies of missing Israelis 'recovered from Gaza' - media reports&2023-10-14T03:18:19.828Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:bbb87995-a63d-4e23-8f12-11fe67f5c59c&pinned_post_asset_id=652a03848ae7803bb6843237&pinned_post_type=share

Bodies of of missing Israelis found In Gaza.

 

[cucumberman]

So 42 Palestinians killed and 5'500 injured along the Gaza fence in the last month. Live rounds used, 4 children shot in the head/killed further 233 injured.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UN-human-rights-chief-decries-Israels-use-of-excessive-force-in-Gaza-552888/amp

A reminisce of this thread, first post.

5 years 5 months ago.

 

[halfcenturyup]

There are many Israeli army officers who are willing to expand on my comment on Israeli occupation.
We can start with this young man.

I am surprised there are still people who think the WB and Gaza are not occupied territories under international law, tbh. Unless I am missing something, that's pretty clear isn't it?

 

[Keeper!]

Hopefully by some miracle, the losses of Gaza civilians and Israeli hostages are kept to an absolute minimum over the coming days and weeks and Hamas are wiped out.

Chapeau Pep’s daughter who’s had the courage to speak out against the threatened genocide.

100% but tragically not a chance.

10,000 of lives will be taken in the coming days and another generation of bitterness and anger will be created, all in the name of god, FFS, what is wrong with these religious lunatics?

 

[goalmole]

I am surprised there are still people who think the WB and Gaza are not occupied territories under international law, tbh. Unless I am missing something, that's pretty clear isn't it?

I'm surprised there are still people who think that Israel is a liberal democracy and not a fascist apartheid state.