Middle East Conflict

Out of interest who else has satellites that are observing this mess. The Chinese presumably. The Russians , Any of the Arab states. If one or more of those independently stated who was to blame it may difuse the situation if found to be a Palestinian terrorist group.
I think, know, that both Russia and China will be monitoring from above. As for defusing? That won’t happen simply due to it doesn’t solve the issue of Israel’s position and how this affects the Palestinians. And until that is resolved incidences like these two weeks, regardless of who is to blame for this act, will continue.
 
Politically it matters as to the circumstances behind the hospital strike. And by matters I mean in Washington and other Western capitols as Israel deliberately striking a hospital is not something the US can accept - in part because their own population will not accept it. Arab popular opinion is not the only factor and Western popular opinion will be more easily swayed.

The fall out from yesterday has already derailed some political initiatives and inflamed Arab popular opinion, and the fall out from any ground invasion is going to be a significantly greater. I still can‘t see what a ground invasion achieves. Urban warfare against a determined enemy bunkered down in ruins with a maze of underground tunnels and a significant civilian population still in situ? That could drag on for months and still accomplish nothing.

And what is Biden’s role? Is the US effectively now managing this situation and trying to provide political leadership - something that Israel can no longer do? A US President in Israel at this crucial time is significant in itself and such visible US involvement pushes Russia into the Iranian camp meaning the US will tie aid to Israel with aid to Ukraine which pressures the GOP domestically.

Lots to unpack here.
 
Politically it matters as to the circumstances behind the hospital strike. And by matters I mean in Washington and other Western capitols as Israel deliberately striking a hospital is not something the US can accept - in part because their own population will not accept it. Arab popular opinion is not the only factor and Western popular opinion will be more easily swayed.

The fall out from yesterday has already derailed some political initiatives and inflamed Arab popular opinion, and the fall out from any ground invasion is going to be a significantly greater. I still can‘t see what a ground invasion achieves. Urban warfare against a determined enemy bunkered down in ruins with a maze of underground tunnels and a significant civilian population still in situ? That could drag on for months and still accomplish nothing.

And what is Biden’s role? Is the US effectively now managing this situation and trying to provide political leadership - something that Israel can no longer do? A US President in Israel at this crucial time is significant in itself and such visible US involvement pushes Russia into the Iranian camp meaning the US will tie aid to Israel with aid to Ukraine which pressures the GOP domestically.

Lots to unpack here.
I doubt either side did it deliberately, more likely an accidental hit. No less horrific though
 
Why even discussing this, we all know that we in The West and our allies never kill civilians. That is 'innocent' civilians. But hey ho, we all know they are other civilians we are very pragmatic to debate their innocence, the browner their skin, closer they are to their Allah, more pragmatic we are.
We are Israel and Israel is us, why is anybody even pretending we fecking care about Palestinian. Never did, never will do. IDF is just doing what many in the west (politicians and the media) would like to have been doing, but were prevented at some point in the past by 'the public opinion'. And that changed now, after the carnage a decade long culture war has left. I am reading The TImes on the way back from the office, it is like reading The Jerusalem Post. And The Guardian makes Haaretz reading like Socialist Worker.
 
Israel indiscriminately Carpet bombing and levelling most of Gaza resulting in thousands of deaths of women & Children. Coming out now and saying "Yeh but we didn't do this One" as if it somehow negates the Murdering they are continuing to carry out. Fuckin staggering tbh.

They are 100% NOT carpet bombing Gaza.

They are using precision weapons.

That is not and never will be, carpet bombing.
 
Easiest way pal. How people cope trawling the news, Facefuck and Shitter all day in beyond me. No wonder mental health everywhere is in the bin.

Ive found my own mental health going down the shitter this year, just so much doom and gloom. When I put the phone down though and actually look around at the things close to me its not so bad at all
 
Fucking he’ll just watching the news, will Biden manage to get back up those air force 1 steps? “The other team” is hardly appropriate language, makes it sound like a fucking game, shockingly naive from the supposed leader of the free world

I can't believe he hasn't been forced to step down. Im not a fan of the guy but I do still have sympathy, he clearly is in no fit state and it just seems cruel to wheel him around in that state.
 
They are 100% NOT carpet bombing Gaza.

They are using precision weapons.

That is not and never will be, carpet bombing.
How many women and children have been precision bombed to date? The likely number of bodies under the precision bombed civilian housing probably means the current number is way understated. Precision weapons my fucking arse
 
Fucking he’ll just watching the news, will Biden manage to get back up those air force 1 steps? “The other team” is hardly appropriate language, makes it sound like a fucking game, shockingly naive from the supposed leader of the free world
Not saying his words were appropriate but as we age, we say things differently to how we did when younger.
 
Fucking he’ll just watching the news, will Biden manage to get back up those air force 1 steps? “The other team” is hardly appropriate language, makes it sound like a fucking game, shockingly naive from the supposed leader of the free world

Im with Mitt Romney on this, Both Trump and Biden should step aside for younger candidates to come in. neither seem to have the ability to form whole sentences anymore without some sort of random gaffe.
 
Not saying his words were appropriate but as we age, we say things differently to how we did when younger.
What you and I might say and what the president of the worlds most powerful country are very different standards. I appreciate he is very old, but frankly I don’t think it’s rude to say that he’s probably a bit too old for his job.
 
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They are 100% NOT carpet bombing Gaza.

They are using precision weapons.

That is not and never will be, carpet bombing.
You are of course correct, but it's a mere technicality you can't bomb the most densely populated place on earth and not have civilian deaths, that's why most Western Governments governments would not countenance it

The real issue, and even you must realise this, it's completely counterproductive, you know and I know, Hamas does not care, in fact Israel and the West are doing exactly what they and Iran wants' them to do, it's a perfect trap, the next step is to lure them into an Urban War, which will be very costly, Hams don't care if they live or die, most of them have nothing to live for anyway

It's frustrating watching this, it's almost like one of the more apocalyptic books of the bible
 

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