Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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johnnytapia said:
“There's 77m people in this country I think and I only suggested 70m of them are hypocrites.”

Why say 70m are hypocrites if you “know” (not think) there are only 67m in total?

Or was the 70m also a “typo”?
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I've already said, it was a brain fart. Get over it, for goodness sake.

I know there's 67m and should have said 67m and 60m but typed 77m and 70m in haste without thinking about it.

You keep banging on about this, it's just pathetic, it really is.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I've already said, it was a brain fart. Get over it, for goodness sake. You keep banging on about this, it's just pathetic.
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Chippy, I've always liked you, and your loyalty I suppose is in some ways commendable but, mate, this lot are an abomination of a government. If I were you I'd be raging at the people who have hijacked (and nearly destroyed) the party you support, and thrown out or gagged the many sensible people it once contained.

Hesiltine and Stewart have been knived and replaced by Rees Mogg and Anderson. That tells you all you need to know. And to keep the thread on track, we now have a Home Secretary stirring up this right wing hate and division purely to better herself in the future, without a single thought to how it affects you, or me, or the country she is supposed to be working to improve.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Chippy, I've always liked you, and your loyalty I suppose is in some ways commendable but, mate, this lot are an abomination of a government. If I were you I'd be raging at the people who have hijacked (and nearly destroyed) the party you support, and thrown out or gagged the many sensible people it once contained.

Hesiltine and Stewart have been knived and replaced by Rees Mogg and Anderson. That tells you all you need to know. And to keep the thread on track, we now have a Home Secretary stirring up this right wing hate and division purely to better herself in the future, without a single thought to how it affects you, or me, or the country she is supposed to be working to improve.
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I don't disagree with most of that actually. FWIW I have always said I am a supporter of conservative principles, rather than of any particular government. I may support a conservative government from time to time if they are sensible politicians saying and doing sensible things, but this lot are a bunch of tossers and I have very little time for any of them. I've already said I think Braverman should be fired and Sunak as well.

My big problem is that I think the same of the lot on the benches opposite them. I actually think Starmer is OK, but the rest of them, in the main, I can't stand.

Running a country is I imagine invariably a question of trying balance conflicting interests and constrained resources and never is everyone going to be happy. But the opposition paint this picture that EVERYTHING is the government's fault - which is patently not true - and that all we have to do is to vote Labour and they will fix everything - also patently not true. You cannot spend more without either (a) taxing more or (b) borrowing more. Money does not grow on trees. We're limited in how much more we can borrow because the national debt burden is so enormous already and people are already struggling so taxing them more is hardly the answer either. The idea that Labour can just tax "the rich" a bit more to "pay their far share" * and recover a bit of corporation tax and everything will be rose? Pure fanstasy. There are not enough rich people and businesses will just avoid paying it.

(* And what a joke that is: Someone on £120k pays £45,000 pounds in tax and NI whereas someone on £20k pays just over £2k, but the £120k guy is not paying his "fair share"???)

Anyway, nice to have a mature conversation instead of stupid nonsense again and again over saying 77m by mistake instead of 67m.
 
Chippy_boy said:
(* And what a joke that is: Someone on £120k pays £45,000 pounds in tax and NI whereas someone on £20k pays just over £2k, but the £120k guy is not paying his "fair share"???)
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To be fair, I don't think anyone says that those on 120k aren't paying their fair share. It's more those on 120m that are the problem.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
To be fair, I don't think anyone says that those on 120k aren't paying their fair share. It's more those on 120m that are the problem.
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I agree with that. And not being on £120m/year myself I would be more than happy for such types to put at least their 45%, and clearly they do not.

The problem is, I really don't know how we can make them pay it. For such people, paying tax is entirely optional. They are not on PAYE like you and me. So you have to hope that if the rates are low enough they will pay it out of a sense of decency. But if the rates are too high or they are just too greedy (as most people are, sadly) then they just rearrange their affairs such that they have very little taxable UK income.

It's not dissimilar to United being registered in the Cayman Islands, for example.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I've already said, it was a brain fart. Get over it, for goodness sake.

I know there's 67m and should have said 67m and 60m but typed 77m and 70m in haste without thinking about it.

You keep banging on about this, it's just pathetic, it really is.
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Fair enough; all bollocks in grand scheme of things. And as this is the Braverman thread, somewhat off topic.

She’s toast. But I still have a nagging doubt there are enough balloons who’ll vote this lot in again. We’ll see.
 
The evil hag will hang on till next week, get sacked and Sunak be on the end of a right wing revolt from the cranks in his party.

He must realise that the tories are fucked no matter what, if he had any balls he would remove the whip from her, johnson, mogg and the 1922 cunts and throw every nobhead out of the party in a blaze of grorious "fuck it we're done" fuck you and good night bastard shithousery
 
johnnytapia said:
Fair enough; all bollocks in grand scheme of things. And as this is the Braverman thread, somewhat off topic.

She’s toast. But I still have a nagging doubt there are enough balloons who’ll vote this lot in again. We’ll see.
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Amen to that. I think she's toast as well. She fucking should be - some of the things she's said are an absolute disgrace.

IMO there will definitely be "enough balloons" as you put it, to make the next GE pretty close. If I was a betting man I'd say Labour will be the biggest party but fall short of an overall majority and have to do a deal with the other parties to form a government. But they could get a small majority. I don't think they can get a big majority simply because they are coming from too far back and the swing would be unprecedented.

But a lot depends on what happens over the next 9 to 12 months. If we have any further big setbacks or Tory gaffs, who knows. On the other hand, people tend to protest in by-elections and polls but then not so much when it comes down to a real vote that matters. If the economy is doing better, inflation is lower, fuel costs are down and the Tories throw in various sweeteners, then a Labour majority will be much more difficult.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Amen to that. I think she's toast as well. She fucking should be - some of the things she's said are an absolute disgrace.

IMO there will definitely be "enough balloons" as you put it, to make the next GE pretty close. If I was a betting man I'd say Labour will be the biggest party but fall short of an overall majority and have to do a deal with the other parties to form a government. But they could get a small majority. I don't think they can get a big majority simply because they are coming from too far back and the swing would be unprecedented.

But a lot depends on what happens over the next 9 to 12 months. If we have any further big setbacks or Tory gaffs, who knows. On the other hand, people tend to protest in by-elections and polls but then not so much when it comes down to a real vote that matters. If the economy is doing better, inflation is lower, fuel costs are down and the Tories throw in various sweeteners, then a Labour majority will be much more difficult.
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The Tories are going to be annihilated. You’ll need the Hadron Collider to measure the number of MPs they will be left with.
 
She'll have to cook up something even more mental to get sacked - she's clearly not going to get kicked out this week.

I wonder what she has planned for Sunday.
 
My guess is she's doing whatever her religion's equivalent is of lighting candles that there will be disruption and violence over the weekend. Preferably red paint splashed over the cenotaph. Then she will be proven 'right' and her position will be hugely strengthened. Being the cynic I am, I would not be surprised if there were agent provocateurs in the mix. The more chaos, the more bobbies knocked to the floor, the happier she will be.
 
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