PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

As the government chair lady said to Masters and Parry -'You two don't know what your doing"

I disagree ….. Parry knows exactly what he’s doing & who he’s working for.

He’s a ****!

 

[JewelZee]

Because we're winning on the pitch where it ultimately matters & are innocent until proven guilty?

However if we weren't this successful, few of our sponsors would be arsed about us, but the fans are here & always will be, for better, for worse & it's they're who're emotionally effected by the bullshit being thrown at us..

City have been a major part of my life since 8 years old, so I'm not gonna lie & say the constant carping, accusations of illegality (UEFA/PL rule breaching), doesn't distract from our achievements during our golden era, which seriously pisses me off. It's a golden era I honestly never thought I'd see in my lifetime.

Imagine if City were an innocent immediate family member, whose face kept appearing on the front pages of the newspapers & headlining the news, with spurious claims & accusations every other day. Whether true or not, wouldn't it majorly piss you off too?

After years of being the butt of everyone's jokes, Pep's Manchester City have redefined the way football is played, & changed the English & global game forever with his inverted FB's, playing out from the back & possession based football. From amateur teams, the national team, to our main competitors, they're all following Guardiola's lead.

We've also rewritten the way how a responsible owner should act, & how club executives can become dynamic, class leading entrepreneurs with our global CFG multi-club model.

We've posted the highest football revenues in history, which are more than seven times what they were before HRH rocked up to East Manchester, yet all of these valid achievements are wrapped up in accusations of "City only achieved all this because their brown Muslim owner is a crooked, billionaire oil baron, & an industrial scale cheat".

According to our detractors, this is the only reason we've dominated UK & European football. But if you ask any of them what one of the 115 breaches are, they couldn't tell you, but yet we still only achieved what we have because we're cheats.

Our recent history & achievements will forever be tainted as such, so please have a bit of empathy & understanding toward fans who feel enraged about these insulting sleights, more than others.

Like I said, to some of us, City are a member of the family whom we've invested time, emotions & money that many can ill-afford. It's why it hurts many of us so much.

Just my personal take on it all. )(

Amen brother! I've posted many similar thoughts recently without expressly stating that I myself let it get under my skin and allow it to bother me too much. But at times it does. Thank God I'm able to turn it into comedy, basically mocking the ignorance and stupidity displayed by these cretins, laughing at their blatant desperation. But that doesn't mean everyone handles it the same way and it can definitely be very harmful to some of our fellow blues. OK, we get it, we've been charged by the Prem. Does it have to be talked about all day every day and in such a ONE-SIDED, DEFAMATORY way? When we're cleared who makes all of this slander up to us? It's an absolute fucking disgrace the way the media in the UK have treated us. They don't have an ounce of shame or conscience...

 

[JewelZee]

Thanks pal. Not sure what the other guy is on tbh. Odd.

I've been reading a guy on Twitter, Russell Scott and that's what's piqued my interest. The way he puts it, it's cut and dried and involves high level conspiracy and cover ups. Sounds crazy tbh. If it was all true, surely City would already have been brought to book and punished accordingly? A lot of Liverpool fans I know are already counting titles they're going to be given "when justice is served". They almost sound desperate.

They don't sound almost anything. They are flat out desperate, simple as...it's embarrassing...LMFAO

 

[halfcenturyup]

Again, I couldn't tell you, but who's to know if Silverlake haven't got some type of clause inserted in our agreement?

The main point I'm making is I fully understand why some fans are genuinely shitting themselves, especially after what happened to Everton.

I just choose not to dismiss their concerns & call them fanny wipes & just wish others could be more understanding.

Dont often agree with you, but you are right on this. People react differently to bad news. Some are stoic, some are nervous, some are stressed. If this thread calms some nerves, I don't care how often we discuss the same old things. Bring on 10,000 pages, I say.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I am not a finance expert, but from my outlook it would be deemed actual fraud I would have thought.

And this is where the Premier League are going to have to need solid evidence, because the fallout could be bigger than just sport, surely?

It becomes something far bigger than a small committee can sentence, its national scale supreme court material I would have thought?

We are effectively been accused of artificially creating an overall revenue figure that never was and with that it attracted bigger demands from us for investment and sponsorship.

Certain sponsors and investors could claim that their agreed deals were over inflated by false figures presented to them and as a result they could demand compensation. I know I would if I was an investor or sponsor.

By doing so we would also have had to withheld information from one of the biggest auditors in the world. That would be a lawsuit, surely?

So many key personnel have to be involved within these shenanigans that the Premier League are basically going to have to prove we have a racketeering syndicate involved with City and a Emirati royal and vice president of a nation state is privy to it all. The political fallout from that for Mansour could be devastating.

I am only guessing here, like I said, I am no finance guy.

That's pretty much it.

Edit: Edited to say that the chances of the PL having the evidence to prove any of that to the required level is as close to zero as you can get in any legal case, imho.

 

[KS55]

Here’s my take on how all this came about.
As the 19th century came to a close, a number of boys clubs who played football co-operated with each other and eventually emerged as Manchester City. One of the early actions of this club was to make payments to players over and above the then legal limit. As a result we were sanctioned and lost our best players with the best of all, Billy Meredith, going over to the rags. But those who accused us were not innocent themselves, yet we were the only ones sanctioned due to a conspiracy by some rivals who stitched us up. As a newspaper, sympathetic to Yoonited, said at the time:
”City are cheating bastards.” Plus ca change.
The rest is the history of MCFC, which apparently doesn’t exist.

 

[lonestay]

I guess there has been some talking between our lawyers and the PLs lawyers in the background away from the public eye ? Maybe we have gone the MAD route ( mutually assured destruction) and pointed out that if the PL continues it's action to destroy us then we posess information that will ensure their destruction as well ? From what Khaldoon said in an interview awhile ago, we have the full picture of what the Prem and red clubs are trying to achieve , so maybe we have flexed a little and told them what the future could be like for them if they continue their actions towards us ? Let's not forget that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour are very very big players on the world stage of finance ,politics and energy and they have sources and the ability to use information that are well beyond the Prems capabilities so who knows ?

 

[halfcenturyup]

I guess there has been some talking between our lawyers and the PLs lawyers in the background away from the public eye ? Maybe we have gone the MAD route ( mutually assured destruction) and pointed out that if the PL continues it's action to destroy us then we posess information that will ensure their destruction as well ? From what Khaldoon said in an interview awhile ago, we have the full picture of what the Prem and red clubs are trying to achieve , so maybe we have flexed a little and told them what the future could be like for them if they continue their actions towards us ? Let's not forget that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour are very very big players on the world stage of finance ,politics and energy and they have sources and the ability to use information that are well beyond the Prems capabilities so who knows ?

I think the consensus on here is that there will be no "nuclear" option. My own view is that the club doesn't need one. We aren't being found guilty of the most serious charges. I am thinking the club's long-term approach will be to welcome the new regulator, cosy up to the new PL administration (there will have to be one) and then deal with the usual suspects on a case by case basis when the time is right. There is no hurry. All imho, of course.

 

[cheekybids]

I think the consensus on here is that there will be no "nuclear" option. My own view is that the club doesn't need one. We aren't being found guilty of the most serious charges. I am thinking the club's long-term approach will be to welcome the new regulator, cosy up to the new PL administration (there will have to be one) and then deal with the usual suspects on a case by case basis when the time is right. There is no hurry. All imho, of course.

Do you think Khaldoon will ‘have his say’ as promised.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Do you hunk Khaldoon will ‘have his say’ as promised.

Yes, but I doubt it’ll be the “say” most City fans would like it to be.

Win or lose, he’s going to be forced to make a significant statement, but I doubt it will carry the vitriol with which most of us would wish it was soaked.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I think the consensus on here is that there will be no "nuclear" option. My own view is that the club doesn't need one. We aren't being found guilty of the most serious charges. I am thinking the club's long-term approach will be to welcome the new regulator, cosy up to the new PL administration (there will have to be one) and then deal with the usual suspects on a case by case basis when the time is right. There is no hurry. All imho, of course.

I agree.

I think they will neither gloat over any perceived victory, nor shed a tear over any perceived loss, as long as their business accounts and reputation are not sullied.

That’s the kind of measured, bide your time, approach for which Mansour & Khaldoon have become known, imho.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Do you hunk Khaldoon will ‘have his say’ as promised.

CB already answered. Just to note I agree completely.

 

[shemnel]

Yes, but what did the VAR recording say? Any day now. Any day.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Thanks pal. Not sure what the other guy is on tbh. Odd.

I've been reading a guy on Twitter, Russell Scott and that's what's piqued my interest. The way he puts it, it's cut and dried and involves high level conspiracy and cover ups. Sounds crazy tbh. If it was all true, surely City would already have been brought to book and punished accordingly? A lot of Liverpool fans I know are already counting titles they're going to be given "when justice is served". They almost sound desperate.

I think Scott's name has only really appeared in discussions here in the last few days - he's the one behind the FOI about City reps meeting a sports minister.

The implication he draws is that no-one else had a meeting with them (over a regulator? that sounds highly unlikely that they'd only talk to one club), and that the lack of details implies a dodgy deal. It presumably wasn't a public meeting, so I'm not sure why the details would become known - maybe when the discussion of the regulator bill in Parliament happens there will be some details.

So:
- did the minister talk to other clubs, or offer talks with other clubs?
- is there any factual reason to believe that anything untoward was discussed?

As with the Spiegel emails, there needs to be context to understand better what happened, and Scott has sensationalised one aspect (as far as I am aware, I may be wrong).

 

[manimanc]

Yes, but what did the VAR recording say? Any day now. Any day.

Huh?

 

[shemnel]

Huh?

I was just poking fun at our own thread, where we went through a rather giddy stage of claiming we had damning VAR recordings that would silence the PL. As if we ever needed such evidence. It dragged on as a "any day now" for quite some weeks.

 

[Paladin]

I imagine all of the criticism about how long the process is taking, from fans, pundits and journalists alike, must be stinging the PL. As mentioned previously, it’s causing considerable reputational damage to them now. Are they really going to try and ride it out for the next 18 months?

I guess the only way they could plausibly expedite the process would be to drop some of the harder to prove charges or try and strike a deal, but that seems highly improbable. Not even sure if that’s possible now that it’s been referred to an independent commission?! What a mess they’ve got themselves into.

The Telegraph claim that some developments will be announced this week, reiterated by them yesterday might have some substance.

Maybe the parties have submitted their evidence on some of the charges and they are about to be withdrawn from the list. That would leave a lower number (hopefully much lower) of substantive charges, and set a more realistic narrative. This surely would benefit all sides.

 

[bluenova]

I think Scott's name has only really appeared in discussions here in the last few days - he's the one behind the FOI about City reps meeting a sports minister.

The implication he draws is that no-one else had a meeting with them (over a regulator? that sounds highly unlikely that they'd only talk to one club), and that the lack of details implies a dodgy deal. It presumably wasn't a public meeting, so I'm not sure why the details would become known - maybe when the discussion of the regulator bill in Parliament happens there will be some details.

So:
- did the minister talk to other clubs, or offer talks with other clubs?
- is there any factual reason to believe that anything untoward was discussed?

As with the Spiegel emails, there needs to be context to understand better what happened, and Scott has sensationalised one aspect (as far as I am aware, I may be wrong).

Pretty sure it has already come out that every PL club gave feedback about the white paper, and that many of them met up with ministers.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Pretty sure it has already come out that every PL club gave feedback about the white paper, and that many of them met up with ministers.

Yes, I thought someone else had said that here, but didn't know who/where. It's inconceivable that they wouldn't have asked everyone.

If they happened, the whole "City collude with minister in secret meeting" is laid bare as tosh and the whole thing dies.

It's the Telegraph though, and may be complicated by the takeover wrangle that's going on at the moment.

 

[Sk@mcfc]

Hey lads, Wrexham fan here - go easy! Like you, we're high on everyone's agenda since we came into some well deserved investment and attention. Jealousy is a huge part of daily life. Looking at Citys case though, do none of you believe you've never done anything wrong or is it just a huge conspiracy borne out of jealousy and envy? And if found guilty, what kind of punishment are you expecting? Cheers.

Jealousy from who because whenever I hear your club mentioned weather on tv or radio every fucker is blowing smoke up your arse