Absolutely spot on regarding Tierney mate, just a standard game from him when he’s refereeing us. Total lack of consistency shown towards both teams.Regarding Friday night, I was in the ground and appreciate there can be an element of group norming, but I honestly thought Tierney was pretty fucking shite and gave spurs everything. We had most of the possession, they got most of the free kicks. As usual
So we had 60% possession but committed 2/3 of the fouls? We are dirty cunts when in possession aren’t we?Absolutely spot on regarding Tierney mate, just a standard game from him when he’s refereeing us. Total lack of consistency shown towards both teams.
The only positive was that Rodri somehow kept his composure and didn’t walk into a booking.
Rodri played within himself a bit and wasn't his full-blooded self which is probably why he didn't get a booking.Absolutely spot on regarding Tierney mate, just a standard game from him when he’s refereeing us. Total lack of consistency shown towards both teams.
The only positive was that Rodri somehow kept his composure and didn’t walk into a booking.
Haha, we are intense to win the ball back quickly and so give away more fouls than the average team (I do think we could be more cunning in some situations as we get a few unnecessary yellows but it’s clear that’s what pep wants and the players follow his instructions).So we had 60% possession but committed 2/3 of the fouls? We are dirty cunts when in possession aren’t we?
Oh I think he is very consistent towards us. Consistently badRodri played within himself a bit and wasn't his full-blooded self which is probably why he didn't get a booking.
Agreed on Tierney. He is probably one of the least consistent referees where we are concerned.
I liked that about Rodri on Friday, there were a couple of decisions against him where he put his hands in his head with an ‘I don’t believe it look’ towards the ref and was there one reaction where I thought he was losing it and about to chop a spurs player quickly after another poor decision (or non decision) but it didn’t quite happen.Rodri played within himself a bit and wasn't his full-blooded self which is probably why he didn't get a booking.
Agreed on Tierney. He is probably one of the least consistent referees where we are concerned.
That’s true, I do think however that the occasions where an advantage occurs in these circumstances would, I think be quite rare, and probably quite obvious. If the referee’s first consideration was to consider whether an advantage had been gained, with notes for guidance, then I think we would have more appropriate decisions. The sort of situation where I would see there would be an advantage would be where a player previously in a central offside position retreats to receive the ball centrally and the only opponent playing him onside is out by the touchline with no chance of challenging. Referee’s have to make this sort of decision with respect to DOGSO at present.On that point, it’s whether the player in an offside position would have been able to receive the ball had he not been offside to start with, otherwise he’s gained an advantage.
That’s true, I do think however that the occasions where an advantage occurs in these circumstances would, I think be quite rare, and probably quite obvious. If the referee’s first consideration was to consider whether an advantage had been gained, with notes for guidance, then I think we would have more appropriate decisions. The sort of situation where I would see there would be an advantage would be where a player previously in a central offside position retreats to receive the ball centrally and the only opponent playing him onside is out by the touchline with no chance of challenging. Referee’s have to make this sort of decision with respect to DOGSO at present.
Perhaps my imagination is failing but I’m struggling to see a scenario where it would be an advantage to have a player miles offside rather than standing on the halfway line or close to the line of the last defender.Depends how much you view just retention of possession an advantage too or giving teams an easy way to get the ball up the pitch. Were they to get rid of it, it’d change completely how defenders would have to act as well as how teams attack - they’d be hitting it long and high and going after second balls constantly.
Perhaps my imagination is failing but I’m struggling to see a scenario where it would be an advantage to have a player miles offside rather than standing on the halfway line or close to the line of the last defender.
Just what offside needs. Another complication.That’s true, I do think however that the occasions where an advantage occurs in these circumstances would, I think be quite rare, and probably quite obvious. If the referee’s first consideration was to consider whether an advantage had been gained, with notes for guidance, then I think we would have more appropriate decisions. The sort of situation where I would see there would be an advantage would be where a player previously in a central offside position retreats to receive the ball centrally and the only opponent playing him onside is out by the touchline with no chance of challenging. Referee’s have to make this sort of decision with respect to DOGSO at present.
Sorry, perhaps I haven’t been sufficiently clear: to avoid being offside a player in an offside position when the ball was played would have to come back to be in an onside position when they received the ball so if a player is ten or twenty yards behind them they don’t have to worry about them unless the attacker gets back to an onside position to collect the ball.Because it’ll stretch the defensive line back if that players allowed to be onside when he touches the ball rather than if the ball is played. The last thing the defender would want is them ten or twenty yards behind them as they then need to be as conscious of what’s behind them as in front.
Similar to when teams with an attacking free kick have players in offside positions - they utilise it for the second ball. This would utilise it for the first and the second ball.
Sorry, perhaps I haven’t been sufficiently clear: to avoid being offside a player in an offside position when the ball was played would have to come back to be in an onside position when they received the ball so if a player is ten or twenty yards behind them they don’t have to worry about them unless the attacker gets back to an onside position to collect the ball.
I’m still not clear how it is any easier for an attacker to get back onside from well inside the opponent‘s half of the pitch than for them to run from the halfway line, as Salah often tends to do now. The player can only get back onside if the defenders let him, they can always get to the ball first in a chase as if he gets to the ball ahead of them he will be still offside, or even if he challenges them for possession.Yes, that’s the scenario I’m referring to. They’ll just play long high balls and the player will get back onside and challenge, the players in front of the defender will then just run up and challenge for the second ball. That or one of the players in front can just run onto it too so the defensive line would just have to permanently drop, which then means you won’t get as many teams trying to press from the front.
It’d make for terrible football games.
I’m still not clear how it is any easier for an attacker to get back onside from well inside the opponent‘s half of the pitch than for them to run from the halfway line, as Salah often tends to do now. The player can only get back onside if the defenders let him, they can always get to the ball first in a chase as if he gets to the ball ahead of them he will be still offside, or even if he challenges them for possession.
The easiest rule would be for linemen to put their flag up when it is obvious straight away, and VAR to judge on tight calls and wrong calls, but then that would show up cheats, like the one that ruled Bobb off side, not a cat in hells chance he could see, even VAR had to cheat, the first replay shows Bobbs foot behind the last defender, but then that was taken from Foden`s first touch.There is a simple answer. Use the same approach as cricket and only overturn on-field decisions where there is a clear margin.
Marginal decisions should go the with the referee’s original decision.
I’ve been saying for years now that they should simply implement an ‘umpires decision’ rule for offsides below a certain threshold.
It’s embarrassing to see the leagues around the world still trying to pretend they can pinpoint the moment contact is made with the ball.
On the Bobb goal specifically, it looked a clear offside as soon as the first picture was shown.