PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

pauls said:
Surely even in the legal world an investigation into what looks like 4 charges (could be wrong) and non cooperation shouldn't take what will be 6 years this Autumn and nearer to 7 to be concluded if any appeals.
Don't think it's a coincidence Masters and his cronies want this played out behind closed doors even though our friends in the media insinuate City of delaying proceedings.
Think we're all hoping Luton stay up then Masters and his cronies really will be bricking it!
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I doubt the PL wanted to start down this road after our appeal was successful at CAS in 2020. However, it's quite evident that it's the Red Top Mafia & Spuds who were pushing for the PL to come after us, regardless of how spurious our alleged breaches were.

Ultimately the PL obeyed their masters & opened the investigation, which I bet they were hoping they could draw out long enough so it would quietly fizzle out with everyone forgetting about it, until the government announced the setting up of IREF in February 2023.

This put the cat amongst the pigeons, & forced the PL into hastily cobbling together the 115 breaches to come at us with. They rushed it that much that they didn't even get the breach sections correct, as one of the allegations was our grass being too long!

They made the corrections, but now they're faced with making the breaches stick, when it seems pretty obvious to all neutrals in the know, that they're struggling to make a coherent case out of it.

As UEFA found out, supposition & opinion may count when you're running a private members clubs, where you create the rules & are judge, jury & executioner, but when legal standards are applied, it's the law of the land which takes prominence over their silly, biased rules, hence why they're shitting it about losing face like UEFA did.

It beggars belief they've even had the cheek to come at us with the same crap that UEFA had thrown out at CAS, but yet here we are...
 
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Dribble said:
I doubt the PL wanted to start down this road after our appeal was successful at CAS in 2020. However, it's quite evident that it's the Red Top Mafia & Spuds who were pushing for the PL to come after us, regardless of how spurious our alleged breaches were.

Ultimately the PL obeyed their masters & opened the investigation, which I bet they could draw out in the hope it would quietly fizzle out with everyone forgetting about it, until the government announced the setting up of IREF in February 2023.

This put the cat amongst the pigeons, & forced the PL into hastily cobbling together the 115 breaches to come at us with. They rushed it that much that they didn't even get the breach sections correct, as one of the allegations was our grass being too long!

They made the corrections, but now they're faced with making the breaches stick, when it seems pretty obvious to all neutrals in the know, that they're struggling to make a coherent case out of it.

As UEFA found out, supposition & opinion may count when you're running a private members clubs, where you create the rules & are judge, jury & executioner, but when legal standards are applied, it's the law of the land which takes prominence over their silly, biased rules, hence why they're shitting it about losing face like UEFA did.

It beggars belief they've even had the cheek to come at us with the same crap that UEFA had thrown out at CAS, but yet here we are...
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Spot on, but I'm sure that domanilo **** will be along to defend it as legit soon enough
 
When we get found guilty of non-cooperation and only that, the media and fans of other clubs are just going to continue the lie saying we were found guilty. My neighbour who's a Blackburn fan asks me most weeks if I'm worried about it and I get the whole "but Uefa found you guilty didn't they". It doesn't seem to matter how many times I explain the CAS ruling and what it meant he chooses to ignore it because the media says differently. He will not be in the minority.
 
SiMCFC said:
When we get found guilty of non-cooperation and only that, the media and fans of other clubs are just going to continue the lie saying we were found guilty. My neighbour who's a Blackburn fan asks me most weeks if I'm worried about it and I get the whole "but Uefa found you guilty didn't they". It doesn't seem to matter how many times I explain the CAS ruling and what it meant he chooses to ignore it because the media says differently. He will not be in the minority.
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Absolutely. You can already sense the 'getting off on a technicality' and 'brown envelopes' narrative beginning to take hold as it becomes clear the charges are rubbish
 
SiMCFC said:
When we get found guilty of non-cooperation and only that, the media and fans of other clubs are just going to continue the lie saying we were found guilty. My neighbour who's a Blackburn fan asks me most weeks if I'm worried about it and I get the whole "but Uefa found you guilty didn't they". It doesn't seem to matter how many times I explain the CAS ruling and what it meant he chooses to ignore it because the media says differently. He will not be in the minority.
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Tell the **** to fuck off asking the same shite questions you've answered them enough times.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Can anyone explain why Everton, got a 10 point penalty, reduced to 6. And now for a repeat offence only get a 2 point penalty? Surely a serial repeat offender should be hit with an even harsher sentence? It almost seems like someone is making these points deductions up as they go along.
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Answered your own question there
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Can anyone explain why Everton, got a 10 point penalty, reduced to 6. And now for a repeat offence only get a 2 point penalty? Surely a serial repeat offender should be hit with an even harsher sentence? It almost seems like someone is making these points deductions up as they go along.
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Because that was the most they could hit them with without getting them relegated and risk them taking legal action?
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Why such a small points deduction for a 2nd offence? The PL have obviously shit the bed. Has to be a reason behind it.
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As he said - they are making it up as they go along. Gradually realising that their members club (cartel) approach to dishing out punishment might get them in trouble once it comes under actual legal scrutiny.
 
abu13 said:
I thought the penalties were going to be more severe if a club had already been penalised previously.
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And there is no logic in reducing the sanction because they had already been penalised once this season (what does that have to do with anything?), and there is absolutely no logic in coming to a conclusion different to the first two panels on Usmanov's sponsorship (unless we are now saying the first panel made three legal errors and the second panel one legal error as well, now. Everton should appeal against the appeal now). Unless there is "political" involvement in the decision, of course.

Not that I agree with points deductions as a sanction for all this bullshit, but I thought consistency and precedence were legal concepts?
 
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KS55 said:
@domalino said the clubs agreed to leave the question of points deduction open, but as yet, has not provided a reference. No matter, let us assume that he is correct.
”Leave the question open” is not the same as “The PL will introduce new sanctions unilaterally “ and rather suggests that the impression was given that the PL would come back with a proposal at some stage, but they appear to have introduced points deductions without further consultation. Chelsea certainly assumed that they would just get a fine. Further the points regime seems to be undefined.
Clearly this is incompetence or mala fides by the PL and a bit stupid by the clubs not to insist on consultation on the regime.
@domalino do you know if the clubs agreed to the regime as introduced?
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The "open" sanctions apply to all disciplinary issues before the independent panels some of which would warrant points deductions and relegations, most of which don't. I don't have a problem with that. The question is why the PL (and yes, I mean the PL executive, whose job it is to present rule changes to the clubs for ratification, not the clubs) didn't define sanctions specifically for FFP breaches. Personally, I suspect it is because they are incompetent. But that is just me. 10 years ago when the rules were introduced, maybe it was acceptable, but as the noose tightened around several clubs the PL had a duty to clarify before it became an issue. And because of the way they monitor compliance, they needed the foresight to see the problem three years in advance. Now they are running around trying to put out fires. Poor management.

Certainly, the sudden and unexpected application of points deductions has screwed a lot of clubs over this year. I am not sure how that can be put down to the clubs who broke the rules. It's entirely down to the entity responsible for proposing rules that aren't "clear and obvious" (to borrow a phrase) for ratification and that is the PL executive.
 
Could not find the Chairman's word, regarding City`s first punishment by UEFA, i am sure someone will post, as it was a very real threat to the PL, but here was the one after.

Khaldoon said that was a decision taken in the best interests of the club, adding: “We will be pragmatic and move on and know that we have the right model and we believe in this model. At the same time it will not compromise us or the strategy we have started and that we will continue to implement.

“I am looking forward to an interview six years from now when we look back at these rules and regulations that have been put in place which have a particular model in mind, and the model we started on six years ago and will take us for the next six years.

“I think then, history will judge what was right for football. I have all the confidence in the world in where we are going to be in six years and what we are going to show in terms of being the right model.”
 
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