Even worse, this is aimed at the old to vote it through. What the fuck has it got to do with them, forcing the young into something that they never had to go through.If I were 18 again, I would literally go to jail before being coerced into anything. The idea that the state has some right to your time is unconscionable to me.
Your kids will be OK if you’ve got a few quid in the bank. They’ll be exempt due to your status and it will only be those underclasses who will be forced into it or get slapped with some form of criminal conviction, lessening their chances in life and leaving them to pick low hanging fruit or cleaning the ‘exempts’ chimneys.This my vote lost already. No way my kids are being demanded to go off to the military or such. My contribution to society is the 10's thousands I have paid in taxes , you aren't taking my families time as well. One thing is for sure this soft introduction will ramp up if a future PM goes to war , the volunteering element will dissappear fast as an option straight away.
Why should anyone have to pick up litter dropped by others unless they are paid to do it or are on a community payback scheme?Have people just read the headline and not the idea?
It’s not about getting 18 year olds running up hills singing “I don’t know what I been told”
I don’t like the Conservatives or Sunak but any idea that gets young people serving their communities once a month is a positive for society even under the guise of ‘National Service’. Why stop at 18? It would be a start for all ages to serve their communities even by small things like picking up litter or not dropping it in the first place!
It shows the state of politics that any positive idea is picked apart by the “other side”. Both sides should be actively encouraging young people to care about the place they live and the people they live beside.
all day Tories have been banging on about Sunaks pledge to give 16 - 17 year olds the vote ...... Tory K does her bit tonight by claiming a fake policy is the first policy idea from EITHER SIDE - the bias is naked and going to get worse
We’ve known for years that the media are not there to report, they are there to influence in favour of their rich owners. And what do the rich want, whatever is better for them to get richer and more powerful.The fact this is even covered as a serious idea is tearamount to how dumb the media has become.
We don’t have anything required for this scheme.
The armed forces don’t have the people to train people on national service. They don’t have the bases. They don’t have the weapons.
The NHS doesn’t have the capacity to screen people before going into the army, nor does the Police have the resources to do a background check on every 18 year old in the country - meaning you’re going to be arming and training criminals too.
The merchant navy basically doesn’t exist anymore. It used to be 1/3 of the worlds shipping capacity and could rake thousands of people on national service every year, now it’s tiny, representing 1/30th of worldwide shipping and the boats have 1/10th the crew size.
It’s a complete joke policy proposal that doesnt stand up to a minutes critical thinking…and yet the RW press in this country can’t manage that.
In reality it's just an election gimmick.Have people just read the headline and not the idea?
It’s not about getting 18 year olds running up hills singing “I don’t know what I been told”
I don’t like the Conservatives or Sunak but any idea that gets young people serving their communities once a month is a positive for society even under the guise of ‘National Service’. Why stop at 18? It would be a start for all ages to serve their communities even by small things like picking up litter or not dropping it in the first place!
It shows the state of politics that any positive idea is picked apart by the “other side”. Both sides should be actively encouraging young people to care about the place they live and the people they live beside.
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I don’t like the Conservatives or Sunak but any idea that gets young people serving their communities once a month is a positive for society even under the guise of ‘National Service’. Why stop at 18? It would be a start for all ages to serve their communities even by small things like picking up litter or not dropping it in the first place!
It shows the state of politics that any positive idea is picked apart by the “other side”. Both sides should be actively encouraging young people to care about the place they live and the people they live beside.
Some great points there and I agree with them, apart from Proportional Representation, you only have to look at Israel to see where it goes wrong, can you imagine a right wind Tory government in hock to Reform? Or a left wing government in hock to the far left, and we have enough extremists in this country to make that a distinct possibility.
Saying that some form of electoral reform is needed, we could start with hold elections over a weekend rather than a Thursday, they are only held on a Thursday because traditionally most people were paid on a Thursday, is a historical anachronism that wants putting in the bin
Absolutely, K. And the ones who end up 'conscripted' are likely to be the least inclined to grasp their chance of some 'social cohesion'. Another 'spiffing wheeze' from an already tiresome campaign.The argument regarding proposed national service for those over 18 "to increase social cohesion" fails immediately when you get to the line where it says its for those who aren't in full time education or employment.
Im completely against the idea, but if you must, you do it for everyone regardless of being wealthy or poor, academically brilliant or thick as pig shit and all physical abilities. If not, you end up with even less cohesion by singling out a section of the population that I would say society has already failed since they were born.
You say that, where I live there's an entire army of retired people who have never been forced or asked, going out and picking up the shit people lob out of their car windows. But they are proud of their village. But if your town or village has been left to go to shit after years of underinvestment, I can understand people thinking that it will make bugger all difference.Quite like the idea of getting pensioners out on the streets and picking up litter. Make ‘em work for their money I say. Lazy fuckers. Always banging on about the state of the country. Time they get off their arses and made a positive contribution.
Being an MP is the best part-time job in Britain, and possibly the world.
Decent salary.
Huge expenses
Subsidised bars and restaurants.
Long holidays.
Amazing pension.
Much of the work is dealing with constituents' problems. This is largely an administrative task. You send a copy of their grievance to the relevant authority with a cover letter and then send the response back to the punter. Any Town Hall clerk with a year's experience could do that.
Committee work? Mainly mumbling agreement or disagreement. If there's something you really object to, you can say so.
Chamber work? Mainly voting in accordance with the Whips' instructions and shouting 'hear hear'. You can, of course, catch the Speaker's eye from time to time and make a speech or ask a question, but no one expects you to be Cicero. Certainly not in this day and age when most of them can barely frame a coherent paragraph.
When I was 40 I could have done all that without breaking sweat. Talk about a 'Bobby's job.'
We did work for our money. I worked for sixty fuckin' years for my council, and the bastards only paid me for 42! Oh, and the litter. I used to, and plan to continue, cycling down the Rochdale Canal pickin' up the empty cans the feckless lob to the ground when they've finished with them. Covid put a stop to it, but I shall pump up the tyres on the trailer and recommence my public good works.Quite like the idea of getting pensioners out on the streets and picking up litter. Make ‘em work for their money I say. Lazy fuckers. Always banging on about the state of the country. Time they get off their arses and made a positive contribution.
Its now a minimum 10p but most charge 25 - 35p in my experience. Never ceases to amaze me what people do to avoid a small charge. Laughed my head off about 3 weeks ago when I saw a guy struggling to hold onto arms full of shopping rather than buy a bag and he didn't drop the rice, he didn't drop the loaf and he didn't drop the veg ....... no he dropped the gin ..... £15 worth of booze sacrificed for the sake of a 25p bag - he was really sticking it to "the man" until that point
You say that, where I live there's an entire army of retired people who have never been forced or asked, going out and picking up the shit people lob out of their car windows. But they are proud of their village. But if your town or village has been left to go to shit after years of underinvestment, I can understand people thinking that it will make bugger all difference.
I think the people who want to pay them more are the very people who are in receipt of the salary, expenses, sinecure, etc. MPs will never be lost for a reason for a pay hike, particularly when one or two of their 'other jobs' have dried up!Some people actually want to pay them more
The argument regarding proposed national service for those over 18 "to increase social cohesion" fails immediately when you get to the line where it says its for those who aren't in full time education or employment.
I could open a shop with the supermarket bags I've got in my car - Asda, Sainsburys, the Co-op, insulated bags, jute bags from the sweat dens of Fife, M&S Peppa Pig. Even got a couple from Auchan and Leclerc. I've got one adverticisng Racing Lens. Naturally, I have a fold up one that fits in it's own tidy 'sac' with a fuckin' great City crest!Its now a minimum 10p but most charge 25 - 35p in my experience. Never ceases to amaze me what people do to avoid a small charge. Laughed my head off about 3 weeks ago when I saw a guy struggling to hold onto arms full of shopping rather than buy a bag and he didn't drop the rice, he didn't drop the loaf and he didn't drop the veg ....... no he dropped the gin ..... £15 worth of booze sacrificed for the sake of a 25p bag - he was really sticking it to "the man" until that point