Euro 2024

supercity88 said:
Won the German Cup and was a runner up in the Cup Winners Cup and had won trophies in Austria. But he had a core group of players who were at Bayern Munich and had the benefit of winning pretty much everything in the build up to their World Cup success.

It was a similar story with Spain and their International success.

France is the outlier really. Deschamps is very similar to Southgate in that he's focussed on team harmony and playing for each other and understands the need for defensive balance and discipline rather than throwing a bunch of attacking talent together - probably because that was his role as a player.

Southgate has brought some brilliant memories and whilst we've ultimately failed, I've had some great times following England with him in charge.

I do level our Euro loss last time out at him, because he didn't change things proactively and their goal was coming for a while. It was a similar story to the Croatia semi final loss and he should have managed the situation better. But tournament football goes that way, and arguably we didn't have the experience throughout the team to get over the line - we dropped deep and panicked under the pressure.

His job is to make sure we don't do that in this tournament.

Unless you win a trophy you've failed, but Southgate will have been the best failure we've had.
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That said Deschamps as a player has won everything bar the League cup and as a manager the WC. Waistcoat has won a couple of league cups, he's certainly not been a failure as a player, how he became England manager is a ucking mystery.
 
supercity88 said:
Won the German Cup and was a runner up in the Cup Winners Cup and had won trophies in Austria. But he had a core group of players who were at Bayern Munich and had the benefit of winning pretty much everything in the build up to their World Cup success.

It was a similar story with Spain and their International success.

France is the outlier really. Deschamps is very similar to Southgate in that he's focussed on team harmony and playing for each other and understands the need for defensive balance and discipline rather than throwing a bunch of attacking talent together - probably because that was his role as a player.

Southgate has brought some brilliant memories and whilst we've ultimately failed, I've had some great times following England with him in charge.

I do level our Euro loss last time out at him, because he didn't change things proactively and their goal was coming for a while. It was a similar story to the Croatia semi final loss and he should have managed the situation better. But tournament football goes that way, and arguably we didn't have the experience throughout the team to get over the line - we dropped deep and panicked under the pressure.

His job is to make sure we don't do that in this tournament.

Unless you win a trophy you've failed, but Southgate will have been the best failure we've had.
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Fair assessment
 
BlueHammer85 said:
What was the excuse before Southgate then? When we had managers like Capello and Sven that won countless trophies world wide
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Under Fabio the team was pretty much past it. Under Sven he played a rigid 442 with probably his most technically gifted player left wing. On Friday we’ll see the same issue as Southgate plays the most technically gifted player out on the left.

With Sven to be fair it was even worse as sometimes he played someone bang average out on the left. When he had loads of brilliant centre halves and good options for wingbacks. Was like having Mike Basset when you look back on it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
What did Joakim Lowe do before guiding Germany to a World Cup win ?
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Better than Southgate. A DFB Pokal, A League title in Austria, Austrian Supercup and runners up in the European Cup Winners cup. Low's most successful spell in Domestic football was at VfB Stuttgart.
 
Craig said:
Under Fabio the team was pretty much past it. Under Sven he played a rigid 442 with probably his most technically gifted player left wing. On Friday we’ll see the same issue as Southgate plays the most technically gifted player out on the left.

With Sven to be fair it was even worse as sometimes he played someone bang average out on the left. When he had loads of brilliant centre halves and good options for wingbacks. Was like having Mike Basset when you look back on it.
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Capello was ultra cautious. Not the ideal fit but had an idea that counterattacking football (which the most of the Premier League sides current play) did get the best out of the side. Same to an extent with Sven and Hodgson.
 
The biggest factor is Pep and the evolution of English football tactics.

Southgate has ridden that wave and it’s almost won him things. His tactical negativity cost us the Euros.

Did okay in Qatar. Wasn’t his fault Kane missed a penalty.

This will be more difficult, I suspect as our defence is dead and the overall balance isn’t great either.

We’ve not been right since the Hungary mauling really.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The biggest factor is Pep and the evolution of English football tactics.

Southgate has ridden that wave and it’s almost won him things. His tactical negativity cost us the Euros.

Did okay in Qatar. Wasn’t his fault Kane missed a penalty.

This will be more difficult, I suspect as our defence is dead and the overall balance isn’t great either.

We’ve not been right since the Hungary mauling really.
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So your saying we've been shit since 1953?......
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s also been one of Englands most successful periods at major tournaments.
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Coincides with the weakest periods for some of our old rivals too.
Spain,Germany, Brazil and even Italy have underperformed in this period the Dutch have only recently turned it round.

I guess we're going to find out how we match up very soon.
 
I have a feeling we could go out at the group stages. We looked uninterested the other night. There's rumblings in the camp also I heard. We will see, but I certainly dont think we are favourites, nor anywhere near that with our defence.
 
RayCTID said:
Capello was ultra cautious. Not the ideal fit but had an idea that counterattacking football (which the most of the Premier League sides current play) did get the best out of the side. Same to an extent with Sven and Hodgson.
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I think the last 2 had pretty average side. The one Sven had was very good. I don’t think he got the best out of them. Being fair though there were some great international sides back then. Whereas now most teams are pretty average.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I have a feeling we could go out at the group stages. We looked uninterested the other night. There's rumblings in the camp also I heard. We will see, but I certainly dont think we are favourites, nor anywhere near that with our defence.
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I had that feeling up until I looked at Serbia and Slovakia’s squads.

The Danes are always tricky to play in tournaments.
 
Craig said:
I think the last 2 had pretty average side. The one Sven had was very good. I don’t think he got the best out of them. Being fair though there were some great international sides back then. Whereas now most teams are pretty average.
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It wasn't a greatest selection of players under Sven either.
 
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