Jude Bellingham

Pingu the Penguin said:
Talkshite reporting that Bellingham bellowing to the bench last night to get Kane and Foden to “press more”
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Don't much care for the arrogant Bellingham but He has a point Kane lazy fuck did no pressing jogged around like a 50 year old foden pressed a bit but not as much as bellingham Big problem was Kane and when anyone did press it wasn't as a team
 
waspish said:
Don't much care for the arrogant Bellingham but He has a point Kane lazy fuck did no pressing jogged around like a 50 year old foden pressed a bit but not as much as bellingham Big problem was Kane and when anyone did press it wasn't as a team
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I thought Bellingham was part of the leadership team - shouldn't he have spoken/shouted at the players on the pitch, not at the bench
 
waspish said:
Don't much care for the arrogant Bellingham but He has a point Kane lazy fuck did no pressing jogged around like a 50 year old foden pressed a bit but not as much as bellingham Big problem was Kane and when anyone did press it wasn't as a team
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You thought Bellingham pressed effectively? Once he caught Carvajal on his heels and dispossessed him but other than that there were a few reckless lunges that could easily have got him carded and not much else. He was as culpable as anyone else for the press being ineffective. Nonsense for him to be shouting the odds at the bench for others not doing the pressing for him.
 
waspish said:
Don't much care for the arrogant Bellingham but He has a point Kane lazy fuck did no pressing jogged around like a 50 year old foden pressed a bit but not as much as bellingham Big problem was Kane and when anyone did press it wasn't as a team
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I must have watched a different game as I didn’t see Bellingham do anything apart from dive about, lose the ball, pass to Spain and hide in the middle of the other 21 players on the pitch.
Oh yeh he did try the same flick trick several times which again lost us the ball.
 
freshie said:
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If that article is correct it's not a huge surprise his bestie is Alexander-Arnold another one with a massively over inflated opinion of himself. Also another who is seemingly not a great team player given he appeared to be taking the piss out of one of his teammates re. penalties at one stage of the tournament.

As for the whole joining the leadership team, what an absolute joke, plenty of faux leadership qualities on display for the cameras but in reality not even a team player let alone a leader. This whole hot-housing approach that has been taken to his career is, at least at one level, doing him no favours at all. No idea if it's too late for him or those around him to try and ground him a bit more, hope not.
 
I think Dortmund were glad to see the back of him....read this and the subsequent posts that follow
 
threespires said:
If that article is correct it's not a huge surprise his bestie is Alexander-Arnold another one with a massively over inflated opinion of himself. Also another who is seemingly not a great team player given he appeared to be taking the piss out of one of his teammates re. penalties at one stage of the tournament.

As for the whole joining the leadership team, what an absolute joke, plenty of faux leadership qualities on display for the cameras but in reality not even a team player let alone a leader. This whole hot-housing approach that has been taken to his career is, at least at one level, doing him no favours at all. No idea if it's too late for him or those around him to try and ground him a bit more, hope not.
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Total madness to add any 21 year old to a 'leadership team'. It's got to be the senior players, who have been through shit and are mature. Especially not an overgrown 'me' baby.
 
waspish said:
Yep but this might prove some of the players don't much care for Bellingham
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and does prove that he shouldn't be part of the " leadership team " when he clearly isn't mature or responsible enough for the role.

That is on Southgate totally and a further example of " flaws " in his management ability.
 
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mattcity5 said:
Total madness to add any 21 year old to a 'leadership team'. It's got to be the senior players, who have been through shit and are mature. Especially not an overgrown 'me' baby.
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I think the Athletic [spits] article actually makes a good point that most of these players came up with each other through the youth ranks, winning and losing international (and club) competitions all the way up, gaining a rapport, understanding, seeing each other’s successes and failures, and actually supporting each other (or not) through various events common to a footballers life. That helped to not only create understanding but also served to actually identify those in the group that could be counted on during moments of adversity or times were extra effort was needed, both on and off the pitch.

And then there is Bellingham who didn’t really do much of that. He was promoted through the ranks without having to put in the same work or create those bonds (or even adversaries). He hasn’t really ever done anything to show himself to be an actual leader. But he was all of a sudden put on the leadership team.

Which, to be fair, can happen to less prepared players at times. Those with mental maturity (or merely a sense of responsibility to others) will recognise that their appointment might come off as unearned and may cause some friction amongst his teammates and so will work to try to earn the prestige of the role and assuage concerns by putting in extra effort to fulfil all of the duties and even go above and beyond.

But, by all accounts, Bellingham didn’t do that. Other players stepped up to do it, both from the leadership group and away from it. That is the sort of behaviour that is going to rub any decent person the wrong way and is going to create rifts.

And when the manager doesn’t seem to do anything about it, and doesn’t seem to even hold that same player accountable when he puts in lazy, selfish performances whilst everyone else has to work their arses off (in some instances to make up for the issues caused by said player’s disinterest and egoism), that is going to lead to disquiet and subsequently incoherent performances, like the ones we saw.

I think one of the most accurate words to describe Bellingham and his entire public persona and seeming reputation now is “unearned”.

I still strongly contend that Bellingham’s unchecked behaviour and Southgate’s fecklessness were the main contributors to England not winning the Euros.
 
Definite problem for the next manager - flew into a few tackles this tournament that weren't far off being reckless. The whole shape of the team has been sacrificed for him - doesn't justify that at all
 
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